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The first one was broadcast again on RaiTre (Italian tv) only a few days ago. I'll watch the new series.
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Brilliant =)
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ok, i am useless when it comes to latin, i got that from various googling, how far am i off?
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Sorry Viggen, I hadn't noticed this thread!
Unfortunately Latin is very context-sensitive so I am not sure a word to word translation will do but here it is:
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Hic omnibus questionibus responsa reperta sunt. (interrogationibus? again, context sensitive)
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Oportet meliores iunctiones habere.
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Salvete Bryaxis & Kosmo & Omnes,
Best stunt ever was a bit more than a year ago when the Walloon TV Channel made a program in the format of an extended special newsflash announcing that the Flemish had unilateraly declared independence, closed of the 'language-frontier', and what not. They did some quite clever things tricking politicians and prominent commentators into the play without them knowing exactly what was going on, editing old interviews in a misleading way, and so on. Nor was it announced in any tv guide.
Still, the satire was so obvious - they had border controls on the Brussels tramways, the Royal family had supposedly fled the country, and so on
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Would that be me, Calders? If not - now you know two of us!
It was compulsory at my all girls grammar school for the first three years, but lots of us took it O-level at least because the Latin master was such a character.That's what I was trying to say earlier but alas!My post was ignored
I worked as a teaching assistant of Italian and Latin in a grammar school in Kent for some time. From what I've gathered only very few "upper class" schools have Latin (and Italian) in their curricula, i.e. the best grammar schools and the
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I guess that should have ruined most other remains from the Roman period. Too bad.
Not really, the marble blocks and the bronze are still in good condition, they have guided tours of the meridiana (although, as I said before, you have to go through the basement of a house in Via di Campo Marzio).
I was thinking about Roman era underground complexes (as the solarium very much used to be at the ground level) where most (or all) of the the probably few complexes are most likely to be heavily damaged or filled with mud and inaccessible. I'm having a very hard time imagining that anything like Casa dei Grifi would survive underground at the fields of Mars.
Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to the meridiana.
Of course, the rest is either gone/deep in mud...everything was originally at ground level, as you pointed out earlier, and the site was soon earthed due to regular floodings from the Tiber. Well, at least Augustus' mausoleum is still standing and the Ara Pacis is safe inside a museum.
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I guess that should have ruined most other remains from the Roman period. Too bad.
Not really, the marble blocks and the bronze are still in good condition, they have guided tours of the meridiana (although, as I said before, you have to go through the basement of a house in Via di Campo Marzio).
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On the day of the Natalis Romae there will be celebrations at the Circus Maximus, with legions coming from all over Europe. You are all invited to the Circus Maximus (5.30 p.m.) to celebrate the founding of Rome .
Would have been cool but I'm off to Naples for the week
I'm not going either, flying back to England in a few days, but I attend the Natalis Romae every year (although each time they come up with something new).
I recommend the members of UNRV and the visitors who are in Rome to go to the Circus Maximus for the celebrations, it is really worth it!
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Is Latin still taught in UK secondary schools as a matter of course?
It is in good grammar schools and in very posh schools.
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Thank you Aurelia, and my next question is are there any underground networks in the place where the Campus Martius once was?
I am not sure one can call it a "network" but there sure is something in Via di Campo Marzio. Deep underground in the area were the Campus Martius once was (7 metres underground), lies the so called Solarium sive Horologium Augusti. It was a huge solar clock (meridiana) which also consisted of an egyptian obelisc (it was built to commemorate the defeat of the egyptians). We know from Pliny that soon afterwards the meridiana stopped functioning properly (it no longer gave the exact time).
At present you can get there passing through someone's basement...
I've heard that it is under water nowadays, do you know if this is true?
(Maybe this topic should be moved to another section at some point by the way?)
Yes, about 10 centimetres under water.
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I can make out a few of the words in the song but that's about it, my Latin is really poor.
It would be nice if some kind scholar could translate it for us wouldn't it?
Oh!Our eternal Rome, city of the seven hills!
Here the roads lead, the rivers flow and here is the old Capitolium.
Oh!Our Rome, once kept safe by geese, was made of marble bricks by Augustus Princeps.
Love (your name spelt backwards) still lasts to this age.
Let us cry out "Immortal Rome, we salute you" etc...
NB:Roma spelt backwards is Amor, which means love in Latin.
On the day of the Natalis Romae there will be celebrations at the Circus Maximus, with legions coming from all over Europe. You are all invited to the Circus Maximus (5.30 p.m.) to celebrate the founding of Rome
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Thank you Aurelia, and my next question is are there any underground networks in the place where the Campus Martius once was?
I am not sure one can call it a "network" but there sure is something in Via di Campo Marzio. Deep underground in the area were the Campus Martius once was (7 metres underground), lies the so called Solarium sive Horologium Augusti. It was a huge solar clock (meridiana) which also consisted of an egyptian obelisc (it was built to commemorate the defeat of the egyptians). We know from Pliny that soon afterwards the meridiana stopped functioning properly (it no longer gave the exact time).
At present you can get there passing through someone's basement...
Picture here:
You can find the obelisc in today's Piazza Montecitorio.
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Essentially anything and everything. I would like info not just on the tours one can go to, but some of the ones the average tourist would never hear of. What ruins or edifices, related to the Julians, Venus, or Mithras lay buried below? Fictionally, I am working on a werewolf and vampire novel, and the prospects of underground tunnels and ruins are just perfect for what I have created thus far. Is the underworld localized, or does it run everywhere underneath the city?
As a roman I think I can compile a list with the less known mithraea, tombs, necropolis, colombari, etc.
The burial sites are usually concentrated in the Via Appia area, for obvious reasons.
Mithraea:
*Mithraeum Barberini - Via delle Quattro Fontane
This is one of the few mithraea in Italy with wall paintings and frescos. It has all the fascination of the castra tenebrarum.
*Mithraeum of the baths of Caracalla
*Mithraeum of the Circus Maximus, Via dei Cerchi 6
There is another one under the Basilica of San Clemente, but I think it is one of the most famous and best-known in Rome.
Tombs/Necropoleis/Mausolea:
*Tombs of the Scipios, Via di San Sebastiano 9
*Tombs of the Via Latina, Via dell'Arco di Travertino 50
*Monte del Grano, Piazza dei Tribuni
*Necropolis Ostiense, Via Ostiense
*Generally, the Via Appia Antica (Mausolea of Priscilla, Caecilia Metella, Romolus)
*Lucilius Petus' mausoleum, Via Salaria 125 bis
Columbaria:
*Pomponius Hylas, Via di Porta San Sebastiano 9
*Columbaria of Via Taranto, Via Pescara 2
*Columbaria of Vigna Codini, Via di Porta San Sebastiano 13
The Catacombs AD DECIMUM in Grottaferrata are probably the less known to tourists, being outside of the city.
http://www.lecatacombe.it/lazio/territorio...rata/ad-decimum
I could also list the Hypogea, Nymphaea and the various temples but I am not sure they would be relevant to the topic.
If you can read Italian I suggest the book "Roma Sotterranea" by Ivana della Portella.
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Ok, I know I'm taking the easy road here but according to Wikipedia, Neapolitan, like other Romance languages, has partly evolved from vulgar Latin but also has a pre-Latin Oscan influence. An example is the pronunciation of the group of consonants "nd" (of Latin) as "nn" (e.g.- "munno" (world, compare to Italian "mondo"). In addition, Neapolitan also seems to have been affected by Greek. Unfortunately, no examples are provided in Wikipedia.
The phenomenon you describe here (assimilation of the consonant nexus "nd" to "nn") is in no way an exclusive of Neapolitan. The same thing happens in the Roman dialect mondo>monno , Abruzzese mondo>munnu and in practically all of the dialects of central and southern Italy. If the assimilation of nd>nn was really due to the Oscan substratum then we would have to hypothesise that such substratum was extended to all of central and southern Italy, and I am not sure that is the case.
I can't argue with you there. Italian or Italian dialects are not exactly my area of expertise - Portuguese is. So it's good of you to set things straight.
Of course, I used "you" in an impersonal way but I should have said Wikipedia, really. My English is far from perfect as you can see
. Welcome to UNRV, Aurelia, nice to have a Portuguese native speaker on the forum .By the way, for clarity's sake, my source for the previous post is: Bonomi, Elementi di Linguistica Italiana, 2003 pp. 25-26, it is an excellent introduction for those who want to deepen their knowledge of the Italian language and all of its varieties (geographical, social, historical, etc.).
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In fact, Elcock discusses various lexical areas...but he mentions no discussion of any other influence of Greek onto southern Italian dialects. I don't have a copy of Rohlfs' volumes here, and the notes that I have don't cover that section, so perhaps someone else can deal with that. But like I said in an earlier post, I'm pretty sure that there were only lexical, not syntactical or morphological, Greek influences on the speech communities in that area.
I agree, I remember Rohlfs' work dealt with the percentage of Greek lexicon in the language of these regions, usually higher than in the rest of the paeninsula, with the exception of southern Calabria, of which he says in a speech at Forte dei Marmi in 1964 (in Italian, sorry):
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The last time I was in Rome I unsuccessfully tried to locate the museum where the Fora Urbis Romae was displayed. My guide book said that you could find it in one of the temples on the Forum's edge. Any help here?
I maybe wrong but I think it's located in Museum of Roman Civilization (Museo della Civilt Romana), located in the Roman suburb of EUR (Exposizione Universale di Roma). Which I believe is quite a long way from the city centre.
What they keep at the Museo della Civilt
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Ok, I know I'm taking the easy road here but according to Wikipedia, Neapolitan, like other Romance languages, has partly evolved from vulgar Latin but also has a pre-Latin Oscan influence. An example is the pronunciation of the group of consonants "nd" (of Latin) as "nn" (e.g.- "munno" (world, compare to Italian "mondo"). In addition, Neapolitan also seems to have been affected by Greek. Unfortunately, no examples are provided in Wikipedia.
The phenomenon you describe here (assimilation of the consonant nexus "nd" to "nn") is in no way an exclusive of Neapolitan. The same thing happens in the Roman dialect mondo>monno , Abruzzese mondo>munnu and in practically all of the dialects of central and southern Italy. If the assimilation of nd>nn was really due to the Oscan substratum then we would have to hypothesise that such substratum was extended to all of central and southern Italy, and I am not sure that is the case.
Now I want to go through Rohlfs again (Silentium...if you're reading this, do you have a copy at hand?)Sorry Doc, I don't have one at the moment but will look for it.
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Great pictures!How long will you be staying in Rome, Klingan?
I don't know what the purpose of your visit is, but if you're interested I could post a list of archaeological sites in the Roman outskirts (including museums) some of them are really magnificent, yet sadly unknown to most visitors who come to Rome.
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Thank you Nephele...I just wanted to say I am safe... the earthquake was very powerful here in my area, despite being miles away from the epicentre. I haven't been so scared in quite some time...at least I'm here to recount what happened, as we say in Italy. I'm very sorry for those who lost loved ones and are now homeless..
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African Augustine, toward the end of the 4th century C.E., also remarks that Punic was still being spoken in the hinterlands of his province. So possibly North African Romance reflected the substratum of that Semitic language. Mario Pei remarks on Augustine's language:
"One rare written sample of his his spoken-language preference is the use of "ossum" for "os," bone in English, so that it may not be confused with "os," mouth...; the possibility of this confusion in turn indicates that the popular language no longer made a distinction between the short o of os, ossis, and the long o of os, oris." pp68-69, The Story of Latin and the Latin Languages.
That said, I'm sure that the same phenomenon was taking place not only in North Africa, but elsewhere in Latin-speaking Late Antiquity.
Interesting. A similar phenomenon of substitution was occurring in the rest of the Rom
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I just plugged in the term "Latin Language" in the search window and this is the first video that came up. Very well done.
This is excellent!
To an Italian speaker they sound like they have a slight accent, but it is an excellent production! -
Not sure what it covers, but has been useful for me in sampling a bunch of museums that were in general unlikely to justify admission, but had a few rewarding surprises.
I guess all Euro and especially Pound denominated prices are in freefall to those exchanging from US$ anyway.
http://www.beniculturali.it/luoghi/ricerca.asp?nd=lc,ri
Here is a map of Italy with all the sites/museums available during the "settimana della cultura" (just click on the region or search the name of the museum/site you want to visit to see if it's included).
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If you comb through the Latin of St. Augustine's Confessions you will find a single reference to the vulgar Latin spoken in his parts of Africa: Hippo and Carthage; it's a word or phrase. There is another reference, perhaps in a different work of his, where he makes the point that it's better for the populace to understand a sermon written in "bad grammar" than to miss a point in grammatically correct Latin, a tongue which people seemed to have gotten away from by his time.
Of course, the latin translation of the Bible in the Codex Bobiensis has the same features, it is essentially "vulgar latin". I presume the educated would probably have been able to read the scriptures in greek if they wanted to, these translations and sermons were probably conceived for the uneducated.
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Yes, I was wondering if there were other factors in play, such as arabic being a language of "culture" itself (which could explain why Berber has so many latin loanwords and Arabic doesn't) and the fact that the romanisation of Africa had not started as early as that of Iberia and had not been as capillar as the one in the latter.
I think the question of late Romanization is definitely part of the equation, and the same could be true of the 'language of culture' aspect--I certainly wouldn't argue it. I don't have anything here which talks about it, but I'd be very curious as to what, if anything, has been written about and argued.
My sources for the previous posts are, in addition to Hugo Schuchardt's Die romanischen Lehnw
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