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BTW, at leasr on the web, it seems most referrence to Galen's "four hundred gold pieces" go back to this unsourced statement from the excelent website of Michael Lahanas: " His most famous diagnosis was that of

You may be right, but here is the footnote from Doctors and Diseases in the Roman Empire, by Ralph Jackson, 1988: J. Benedum, 'Titos Staltilos Kriton', Clio Medica (1972) 7, 249-58; Galen, XIV 641-7K; Smith 1979, 84; Nutton 1986, 35-36. Very few people have studied even a majorty of Galen's works still available and Nutton is a very respected authority on medicine in the Ancient World. I am willing to accept Nutton's work...although you might be correct. guy also known as gaius Gratiam habeo, GG... but you actually didn

Maybe what happens is that we basically agree on hard (ie, measurable) facts and mostly differ in the subjective interpretation of what each of us educatedly guesses.

Salve, Amici *What if's alert!!!* The butterfly effect... and whatever you may imagine; 'nuff said. BTW, that's why History is not an exact science; there's no place for experimentation, no replay button. IF Caligual had have two wheels... he would probably have been a motorcycle.

Salve, M The three inscriptions were discovered at the Colosseum in the XVI century, but CIL 06, 32094 a has since been lost; nevertheless, its transcription survives as follows: Venanti / v(iri) c(larissimi) / co(n)s(ulis) / Decius Marius Ve/nantius Basilius / v(ir) c(larissimus) et inl(ustris) praefectus / urbi patricius cons(ul) / ordinarius arenam / et podium quae abomi/nandi terrae motus / ruina prostra/vit sumptu proprio restituit As you can see, its heading phrase (ie. "From the distinguished Lord Venantius", highlighted above) is lacking from the other two copies (b and c) Both spacing and abbreviations are peculiar to each copy.

These are 2 of 3 well known inscriptions,

Salve, Amici. Conratulations, this is a wonderful thread.

Writing almost a century later, the emperor Julianus (aka Apostate) is a frequently overlooked source on this period.

Salve, Amici Informative indeed; gratiam habeo, Chris.

Salve, Amici I have been using Google Earth for some time and it has been a delightful experience (no royalties for me, BTW). This software requires a lot of memory; that may be the origin of the problems reported by Lady N. Thanks to Antiochus (gratiam habeo, BTW) I have just recently checked on the Ancient Rome in 3D section of the Gallery layer; it's certainly very attractive and extremely didactic. Probably no one of us can be absolutely safe from spyware intrusions; I don't think this software would make any real difference about it. I honestly think most (if not all) of us will enjoy this experience. Google-Greetings from Schmidt & Brin.

This must be new: How can we discuss if we keep saying exactly the same? We (S & I) entirely agree.

CC Read you last post; In this article, Gruen denied the existence of "an anti-Scipionic movement in the late 190s and early 180s BC", but he never denied Cato and Africanus were enemies. Do you see any contradiction? It matters.

Sorry to dissapoint you, but nope, they were no Romeo & Juliet.

Check Gruen and your own notes.

Salve, Amici An intriguing title from an excellent author.... in a JSTOR restricted-access source. Would you be able to post a summary? Please forgive me and forget that; I've eventually found the open source.

After reading some of this Roman military stuff, I was left with the idea that if any Roman soldier carried more than one pilum, he ought to get another name for them; spicula or whatever you like.

False assumption. The need for auxillaries was to compensate for skills the romans didn't have, and to retain tactical flexibility. The main arm of the legions up until the late empire was heavy infantry in an offensive posture. Actually, I think we're both saying exactly the same thing.

An intriguing title from an excellent author.... in a JSTOR restricted-access source. Would you be able to post a summary? I think the always patriotic Roman historians had essentially an insolvable problem by trying to present both PC Scipio Africanus Maior and MP Cato Maior as utterly perfect, impolute and exemplary heroes.... ie, both at the same time; a true nightmare. More or less like the French historians regarding Robespierre and Napoleon I. In fact, I think that for some time the Roman republic was at real danger for becoming subjugated by the Scipio brothers.

Of course it was Nasica; my apologies.

I wouldn't dismiss your original thesis so quickly; I think it's still the best explanation. I don't think the reported frictions between the Great Scipio and Cn.C. Lentulus were enough to discard a close association, given both their previous administrative relationship and especially the fact that the later succeded the former as Censor. In addition to the virtual monopoly of the patrician executive magistratures for those 15 years, TRS Broughton identified some of their plebeian counterparts as Scipionic proteges (eg, M. Acilius Glabrio, praetor for 196 BC and Consul for 191 BC). T. Livius also assumed such interconelian cooperation during the consular elections of 192 BC (Ab Urbe Condita, Liber XXXV, cp. X): " There were many strong candidates,.. But all men's eyes were turned to Quinctius (Flaminius) and Cornelius, for as they were both patricians they were competing for the same place and they each possessed strong recommendations, for each had covered himself with military glory. But it was the brothers of the two candidates who most of all made the contest such an exciting one, for they were the two most brilliant commanders of their day. Scipio (Africanus) had the more splendid reputation, but its very splendour exposed him all the more to jealousy... Moreover, the former (Africanus) had been continually before the public eye for nearly ten years, a circumstance which tends to diminish the reverence felt for great men as people become surfeited with their praises. .. By these arguments he (Quinctus) succeeded in beating his competitor, though his competitor was supported by his brother (cousin) Africanus, by the house of the Cornelii - it was a Cornelius (Merula) who was conducting the election - and by the splendid testimonial which the senate gave when they pronounced Africanus to be the best man among all the citizens and most worthy to receive the Mater Idaea on her arrival from Pessinus". Now this was how the Senate was working those years. Actually, the main support for your thesis would be negative; the virtual dissapearance of cornelian magistrates after the Asiatic judicial affaire and the subsequent decline of the Scipio brothers. In fact, the younger Scipios (Asiaticus & Nasica) were defeated as candidates for the Censorship, both in 189 BC & 184 BC, the last time by their sworn enemy MP Cato.

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