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Want type about it here?
I can't put any posts right now, we can discuss this tomorow!
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If you could make any movie about History, or historical figure, what would it be about? Which actors or actress would be in your movie?
I would make the Sunne in Splendor, written by Sharron Kay Penman. It is about Richard III. I loved it. Since I read it many years ago, I have changed the cast. Right now, I would have Russell Crowe (actually in any movie I would make), Christian Bale, James Purfoy, Ciaran Hines, Jeremy Sisto, Ray Stevenson, and of course ME!
I have to think who would play who, but I will get to that soon.
I would also love to see the First Man In Rome in a movie. Not sure yet who would be in it. But for both movies, I would insist that it would be HISTORICAL ACCURATE, I would throw a fit. I like the actors to look as close to the real person as possible. If the historical person is suppose to be blonde, then she has to be blonde. I don't think there needs to be a reason to change the time line. Of course I am just an arc chair movie director.
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I saw is, and I was a married woman by myself. Anyway, I liked it. I went there in my mind that it is just a movie, and of course historical license was taken. The costumes were outstanding. Eric Bana, good looking as ever!
I think the Showtime mini-series has helped make Henry VIII and his times popular. Again, I have to keep in mind that it is just a tv show, but I do like it. Sam Neil, in the first season was outstanding. JEREMY NORTHAM as Thomas More is good also, even though he wrote an awful story about Richard III.
MARIA DOYLE KENNEDY as Katherine of Aaragon is probably the best actress on the Tudors. Anne Boylen played by Natalie Dormer is ok, but I can't figure her Anne Boylen out.
And finally JONATHAN RHYS MEYERS, good actor, intense, but not the stature of Henry VIII, Eric Bana has the stature.
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Mate, tennis is hard! New Zealand boys didn't used to get a choice about playing Rugby. But tennis, now there is a game that demands skill. I'm useless at it, but wouldn't admit it to anyone out loud.
I use to play tennis in my teens and twenty's, then I hurt my back. I sometimes still get out and play, but I let the ball come to me, even if it bounces two, three times. Now that we got a Wii, I love the tennis. I get into it and move around. The first couple of days, my right arm was sore. You should see my 8 year old. He can just sit there and the ball goes where it wants to. Kids!
When I lived in the Great State of Kansas (in my mind anyway) I played sand volleyball. I would say beach, but Kansas is in the middle of the USA, no beach! Anyway, the team I was on was AWFUL. But the more beer we drank, the better we thought we were!
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I always here quotes on tv or on the radio, like, The Die is Cast, It's Greek to me, When in Rome. Aspects of Rome seem go come up every where. When my children are watching shows on the Cartoon Network or Disney, they reference Rome. Even good old Spongebob had an eposide about Rome.
I keep clicking my heals three times and I say There is no place like Rome, There is no place like Rome, There is no place like Rome, and nothing happens.
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When the president of the USA gives the state of the union address, he stands on the Rostra.
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Yep, I've got a hoody with an SPQR design much like the one in your sig. I'm not that keen on lables but I love wearing stuff that says something about my interests and are unique (I've got this one of a kind Black Sabbath t-shirt that I absolutely love). I get a lot of stares with the SPQR hoody; I've even been asked if I am some kind of Neo Nazi!
Ignoramii!
In the ides of March I was going to wear my Caesar Shirt on the airplane, but my little one had the flu, so I didn't go any where. So far, no one has asked me about my shirts. My husband has a nice one with the eagle and SPQR. Both boys have hoodies and shirts with Rome and SPQR!
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I'm glad that your liking the film Gladiator led you to UNRV, Ateria. Each to his or her own; I just didn't like the movie, but now I like it the more for making you interested in Rome.
Yea, I might win you over yet!
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Caligula has to be the worst I've seen, but then again, I haven't seen that many films about Rome that I've considered all that good. Even the series was a bit of a dog's dinner. And Gladiator? Puh-leez!
But Caligula has to take the cake. It sucked, big time. It years after that I was informed that the movie was made by Penthouse's film division. Then it all seemed to make more sense. Of course it was shite! It was never about Rome; it was about titties!
I love Gladiator. The movie brought forth a new interest of Rome and Ancient History in General. Roman clothes on the cat walk, Gladiator sandals and more. There have been some movies, such Caesar with Jeremy Sisto, Atilla, Nero, Augustus, Nero and the Last Legion. And big budget movies, like Troy and Kingdom of Heaven. Even the Rome mini-series. Ok, some are not that good! Caligula made me sick!
I still believe that if a person sees some of these movies, and they liked them, then they will research the time period and learn the true facts, just like me. Or they will talk about it with good experts like you and the people of the forum. It seems I always put my two-sestertius in, even if the person does not care!
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The Brother's Gracchi were born patrician, but became plebs to run for Tribune of the Plebs.
Primus Pilus explained it like this:
"He was Plebeian via his paternal name, Sempronius... the lineage that determined social affiliation. His maternal side was patrician via the Cornelius gens, but it didn't matter".
The Gracchi thought they could do more for Rome if the had the support of the people than the senate. Both brothers paid for their controversial reforms with their lives.
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Hehe! I was taking the piss somewhat. Have you noticed that most everyone else is something upper class? You have to have someone to downtrod!
Would you pray on innccent young patrician women too? Of course, since I would be living on the Palatine, I would not be in your part of town. My family would be of ancient decent, generals and consuls, very rich and of course handsome. And yes, I would be married off at a young age, to another rich and succesful family, but my husband would be a defus and I would rule the household. Then I would fall in love with someone else. He would want me to run away from all of Rome. I would decline, because of a woman of Rome, I would do what is best for the Republic. Then my husband die in battle or did he????? And then the some one else and I would get married and our son would be the greatest Roman of all time!
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Wow! But we would be fighting for the love of Julius Caesar. And if Marc Antony looked like Jame Purefoy, Russell Crowe, Christian Bale, I would let you have Caesar.
I would be a contortionist/dancer, the headliner entertainment at imperial banquets.I would catch Caesar's eye, who would exclaim in admiring astonishment: "Holy Hades! That puella has more twists than the Tiber!"
Caesar would then order urns filled with golden coins, to be deposited at my feet. I would wink at Caesar, with my right leg demurely hooked behind the back of my neck. Caesar's jaw would immediately drop to the marble floor, his tongue rolling out like a carpet and his eyeballs shooting from their sockets, cartoon-style ("ah-OOO-gah!" sound effects included, of course).
Cleopatra would be reclining in the audience, doing a slow burn, while Marc Antony was drunkenly laughing his ass off at her.
-- Nephele
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My favorite period in Rome is from the time of Marius to Julius Caesar. I like the founding of Rome, there is a lot of info to go through. I also like the Gracchi. I am inclined to study the personality of these people.
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What is an imago?
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Why didn't the senate kill Sulla like they killed Caesar!!??! Was it because there wasn't anyone left in Rome or the Senate after the proscriptions brave enough to stab Sulla at the base of a statue of Marius?
Yes indeed, the opposition was killed off or exiled (or in opposition away from Rome like Sertorius in Hispania). Those who remained were Sullans and/or people of similar conservative political ideology and benefited by Sulla and his policies. Additionally, Sulla did give up the dictatorship and took no action that would give the impression that he intended to maintain it forever or that he intended to restore the monarchy. Caesar, on the other hand, whether one agrees or disagrees, did give a real impression that he positioned himself as a real king abroad and potentially even at Rome.
No matter how long Sulla intended to be dictator, he was still dictator. He still was in charge of Rome, government and army. the people of Rome saw him as the ultimate dicator and were scared to death of him. Sulla knew that if he retired or died, all his laws would cease to exist. It has to be an igo issue for Sulla. Just because he retired does not mean he didn't want to be "king". The senate (what was left of them) could have given him a title that meant King, without having to say king. He was old, ugly and knew he didn't have much time left. He wanted history to remember him as he saw it. You know "what if" scenario. If Caesar lived longer would he be "King"? I think that when the Republic was nearing the end, the men who had the power of Rome triedn to shape it into their own ideas, no matter what the cost. Marius and Sula lost sight of what Rome really was. Caesar tried to at least keep the populas on his side.
Ok, where I was going with this, I don't remember!
Maybe Caesar should have killed all his enemies just like Sulla did.For the most part he did. It just took him a bit longer to do the job, and the death of many opponents was masked by the fact that they occurred in battle. Notice that most of those involved in his death were actually considered his friends. Of all of those named, only Quintus Ligarius showed any real history of being an anti-Caesarian as an opponent in the war in Africa. (Lucius Tillius Cimber's brother had been exiled but Cicero claims that Tillius himself was a strong partisan of Caesar... at least prior to joining the conspiracy).
Of course, in fairness to Caesar famed clemency, Ligarius was one of those who had been pardoned and we certainly can't be certain of the partisanship of the 50 or so other conspirators who have not named in our surviving sources.
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I can't really say I like Sulla, or I don't, I just find him interesting. I have had a question burning in my mind. Why didn't the senate kill Sulla like they killed Caesar!!??! Was it because there wasn't anyone left in Rome or the Senate after the proscriptions brave enough to stab Sulla at the base of a statue of Marius? Maybe Caesar should have killed all his enemies just like Sulla did.
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I had a history professor in college that said history never repeats itself. I was one of those young freshmen that was very timid to argue, but now look out. Anyway, history does repeat itself. The names and times have changed, but the situations are the same. Look at Jerusalem. One of the last lines in the movie Kingdom of Heaven "What is Jerusalem to you?" And the Muslim general says, "Nothing and everything". How many years has that city been in turmoil? I love the quote from Cicero about what to do to avoid the Fall of Rome. I am posting it again,
"The budget should be balanced. Public debt should be reduced. The arrogance of officialdom should be tempered, and assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed, lest Rome become bankrupt."
Marcus Tullius Cicero I can apply this quote to today. To me, this applies to the USA, now.
As far as the question on the board, what was it?? Some call him Emperor, some just call him dictator. I would hope that if a student is interested in learning more about Caesar and Rome, they can research for themselves and come up with their own answer. And of course they have to prove their answers. Sometime in schools, they don't have time to let the students research a question. The school districts here in the USA are only teaching for the assessment tests. I imagine a lot of students say, "Why do I need to know Julius Caesar?? (like me and algebra.) The student who feels the history in their bones will be the ones who can find the answer to this question and many more
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I am trying to save some of my messages so I can re-read them I don't know where to put them. Can anyone help?
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Salve,
I love to wear shirts or hoodies that show something I love. I have an awesome shirt from Cafe Press that is black, with an outline of Caesar's face, saying Vedi, Veni, Veci, and the date March 15, 44. I aslo have a couple of hoodies that I designed (meaning I chose what I wanted on it). https://www.customtshirtsandsigns.com/Design.htlm
http://www.cafepress.com/?CMP=KNC-G-EF
Cafe Press have lots of designs to put on a shirt, like Titus Pollo for President.
Enjoy!
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Didn't Machiavelli write about Sulla also?
I am still an infant in learning about Ancient Rome and Republic Rome. For some reason, I do love Caesar, again, I am still learning about him.To get back to the original post, I'm not a fan of Caesar. For just one list of reasons that I'm not an admirer of Caesar, see HERE (plenty of juicy counter-arguments also follow). Poke around, and you'll find other lists I've written, variously condemning Caesar's Machiavellian character, short-sighted laws, exaggerated military reputation, and destructive legacy.
As for the greatest Roman figures, my personal favorites are the most idealistic ones: Cato the Younger and Sertorius. I also greatly admire (1) M Junius Brutus, for founding the republic and defending it against his own sons, (2) the tribune Licinius who opened Roman government to the plebeian caste, (3) the plebeian consul M. Curius Dentatus, whose armies defeated all of Rome's enemies, including Pyrrhus, and (4) Scipio Africanus, who saved Rome from the greatest general of the ancient world (and perhaps all time), Hannibal.
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Didn't Sulla build on top of the Forum? I read somehere (sorry about that I seem to read a lot and then can't remember where) that Sulla raised it so many feet??
What's under the Roman Forum? That's what we could have found out if they had not filled in what appears to be an oblong entrance hole with a staircase "apse" at one end situated in the middle of the Via Nova in front of the Basilica Julia. The "hole", which is obviously man-made as its brickwork borders and straight edges show, had originally contained debris "in-fill" from the centuries of the city's destructions but at a lower level than now. City workers, apparently considering it a safety-hazard for tourists (as if they couldn't see it!) filled it in completely to the top and smoothed it flat with the street level surface. Instead, archaeologists should have dug it out completely so we could learn exactly what was the purpose of the subterranean chamber that must be down there and how far under the forum pavement it extended. Now we will probably NEVER know! But my own theory is that since it is the only such opening in the Forum and it is near the shrine of Vesta and the palace of the Vestal Virgins, it actually was the chamber in which Vestals were imprisoned to starve to death after losing their virginity. I know Plutarch claims this was done in a chamber by the Colline Gate, but he has been found to be archaeologically inaccurate about other details; and just thinking about it, why go to all that trouble and expense of escorting a disgraced Vestal through the city when it would have been much more convenient and just as noticeable to have her entombed alive in the center of the city?! There would have been space for a crowd to gather and watch the gloomily scandalous kind of spectacle Romans loved. Since the pit is too big to have been covered with a door, the door sealing her in must have been in an underground entrance to the chamber. This seems to be the only explanation for such an unusually and otherwise inconveniently placed opening in the center of an ancient major thoroughfare of the city for which there are no contemporary accounts of its nature or use from what I know.
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I really love the Master of Rome Series. I was introduced to two men I really knew nothing about. Marius and Sulla. Reading about these two men, I just had to learn more and there is a lot to learn! I know that there are a lot of people who may know a little about Rome, just the basics, don't know of these two men. They did start some 1st for Rome. McCullough, to me, makes me feel like I am walking in Rome. I can feel the violence in the streets. The feel the loneliness of the some of the women who's husbands were away for years because of wars.
One aspect of the books, is the long, long battle. I prefer more dialogue.
I am on my second reading of the books. I read them a couple of years ago, now I know so much more about the time frame of the book. I can be like, ok, that makes more sense now.
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I tried to read the first book in the series, but I just could not get through the facts and history he didn't follow. My husband really likes them because he knows almost nothing of the Roman Republic, so he can read it with an open mind. I have just started reading Imperium by Robert Harris. I can read it because I really don't know much about Cicero, so I don't have a preconcieved notion about the history. Make Sense?
IDo you like a completely artificial story (though well written and action packed) about a person, time period and series of events that have a great many historical sources to refute everything in the story?If you don't mind an escape from the known history, it is an engaging tale. However if you prefer your fiction to be based on a bit of accuracy, you won't like this at all.
Thanks, PP - I think, in that case, I will pass on this one!
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Thanks for this list! I can't wait to dig into some of these books.
As a companion to the 101 Leading Statesmen of the Roman Republic, these biographies may be worth your while. Feel free to add to the list.P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus Major
_____B. H. Liddell Hart. Scipio Africanus: Greater Than Napoleon.Da Capo.
Hannibal
_____T. A. Dodge. Hannibal. Da Capo.
M. Porcius Cato
_____A. E. Astin. (1978). Cato the Censor. Oxford.
P. Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus
_____A. E. Astin. Scipio Aemilianus. Oxford.
T. Gracchus & G. Gracchus
_____D. Stockton. (1979). The Gracchi. Oxford.
C. Marius
_____R. J. Evans. Gaius Marius: a Political Biography. Unisa
L. Quintus Sertorius
_____C. F. Konrad (1994). Plutarch's Sertorius: A Historical Commentary. University of North Carolina Press.
L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
_____G. P. Baker. (2001). Sulla the Fortunate: Roman General and Dictator. Cooper Square.
_____A. Keaveney. (2005). Sulla: The Last Republican. Routledge.
L. Licinius Lucullus
_____A. Keaveney. (1992).Lucullus: A Life. Routledge.
Spartacus.
_____T Urbainczyk. (2004). Spartacus. Duckworth.
_____M. J. Trow. (2006). Spartacus: The Myth and the Man. Sutton.
Cn. Pompeius Magnus
_____R. Seager. (2002). Pompey the Great. Blackwell.
M. Tullius Cicero
_____A. Everitt. (2003). Cicero: The Life and Times of Rome's Greatest Politician. Random House.
C. Julius Caesar
_____C. Meier. (1997).Caesar. Basic Books.
_____A. Goldsworthy. Caesar: Life of a Colossus. Yale.
_____J. F. C. Fuller. Julius Caesar: Man, Soldier, Tyrant. De Capo
Catullus
_____A. K. Hurley. (2004). Catullus. Duckworth.
Lucretius
_____J. Godwin. (2004). Lucretius. Duckworth.
P. Clodius Pulcher
_____W. J. Tatum.(1999).The Patrician Tribune. Univ North Carolina.
M. Junius Brutus
_____M. L. Clarke. Noblest Roman. Cornell.
M. Antonius
_____E. Hubbard, & F. E. Hubbard. Mark Antony. Kessinger.
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All these ideas sound great. I can't wait to see them all on the big screen and all our names in the credits