Sextus Roscius

In hindsight, view would be a much better word and be far more accurate. Though over all it I was trying to make a reference to how do we view their culture as moral, immoral, ethical, unethical, and right or wrong. So in a sense, with all the things they did added up, was it right or wrong. Thats the reasoning behind saying "judge" though view would work to. I personaly marvel at what they did, and beleive it is comendable. Through all the things that they did, it made the world better. Which is certainly comendable. Even if certain parts of their culture was unseemly by our standards, that doesn't mean its wrong.

Hmm, a trial on UNRV.... eh, or what not. Personaly, for my own safety, I'll just be standing over here. WAY, over here. However, if worse comes to worse I'll help out my good buddy cato.

A much disputed thing is how we judge the past. Many people judge the past as though it happened in modern times. Tell them that Romans had slaves and had gladiatorial shows for pure entertainment and they will be stuned. With crys of how cruel, shameless, and indeed heartless, the Romans were. Cursing them for a lack of resemblance to their hyper-humanitarian (at least where I live) western beliefs that think "hate" is the strongest word you can use. On the off-hand, historians and professors, as well as the educated ( on the subject) will be perfectly acceptant when you bring up the subject and will say that for the time, some things the Romans did were realitively softer punishments compared to other civilizations. They compare that civilization to the world around it, not around us. But which view is the correct one, should we be shocked at the habits of people 2000 years ago, look at them as though they knew our world and aimed to appease us, or should we view it from their standards, and the standards of the world around them, to see if that view makes sense, or makes casts what they did in a different light. Which is right? At least in your opinion. Personaly, I support the second point of view, that we should judge by their worlds standards.

I agree, though we'd need a few more people, Afteral germanicus and Favonius can't make an entire caladener....

One of the sites that I frequent daily. Today boasting a very silly and anti-love valentines day joke front page. If that puts you off, look up some articles, Uncyclopedia won't let you down (the front page will say Emotopedia for today though) Uncyclopedia.com

The Love of my fatherland guides me

Well um.... thats.....or....ig....inal? um......*shivers*...... I think I know who Flavius here will nominate... As of me, um....I'm not really going to give you what I look like in a swimsuit....or evening wear... But, may I be comentator on the preceedings? please...

I'm not even on there, I'm in middle school...

Well, um, Aegyptus, holding major urban and cultural centers long before Roman times, the true remnantes of Alexanders Empire.

Are you fellows reclining on your stomachs, no the Romans would be lying on one side while doing this, it allowed them to have a spare arm while reclining on the other, and just to let you folks know, don't use any forks or what not. Romans ate with hands... Therefore any Roman food was bite size so to speak, making sure that one didn't have too much in one bite. So to point out, there way of eating works perfectly well when mixed with other aspects of culture.

I'm not sure how fair an arguement it is to say that arabic numerals built sky-scrapers, while Roman Numerals built the coloseum. Thats not comparing thigns from the same time period at all, who could say what the Romans would've done 1500 years later, and besides, the Arabic Numerals ended up doing the things they did in the hands of non-arabs, so in the end, I think we can come to the conclusion that its not so much the number system, but who's hands it is in. And yes, many scholars of the time who spoke greek often learned the number system of the greeks which was profoundly more simple than Roman Numbers. All and all, this is like saying which is more sophisticated, English or an African clicking language. Opinions vairy, but those among us who are practical will say english, while those of us who can't say that anything isn't sophisticated or better than others in its own aspect would argue for the clicking noises. Simple as that.

Personaly, I took the liberty of trying that out by myself on my own couch one night when my parents were out, and no, I was starved becuase it was 6:00 and I hadn't eaten since 10:00 so I hate happily and finished my meal within half an hour, didn't get a stomach ache... though we might differ. Infact, I perfered it to eating in seats at a table.

Well, I've got really nothing to complain about, though I'm sure something will emerge as I write this, and consequently I'll have to change the title, but oh well. Of my most pressing matters to contend with, is a band concert on march the 8th, which happens to be my sisters birthday. However, thats the least of my worries about the concert, its in a month and we got our music a week or so ago, which (any one who's been in a concert band would tell you) is not alot of time to prepare it, especially with 4 peices total, the longest of which is 9 minutes (though its a conglomoration of songs) which will take a while to perfect. Also, tomorrow is Valentines day (I think I spelled that wrong) which is to me no major holiday, infact, its sort of worse than a normal day (except for coming home and eating all of my mom's chocolates ) Some people make a large hipe over it, though that is merely media induced. I find the holiday annoying enough that sometimes I completely don't respond when people talk to me about it, though last year I participated in the festivities of fake love notes, doing and giving dares, and all the rest of the speill. Wasn't that fun, so I think I shan't do it this time round. All said and through though, things are going fine for me, and the world doesn't have any major even happening today. Absolutley lovely, and hey, I guess I didn't have to change the title...

I find the "cure" for a stomach ace quite funny (this was a remedy used not uncommonly for a period of time) you swallow a small amount of lead, which would, infact, make your stomach ache stop, but you'd be dead pretty soon.

Hell, we can try... Cato, there is so winning against mysticism, if you care to stop the beleif, the only way is to destroy it, not change it, and they've got that covered to. As of the moment, fight against them only when what they say is hindering your own personal development or the development of those you care for. 2006 is not the time where we can fight the battle on the side of logic, and win...

When it comes to some of them, that is who they are deep down. For me, when it comes deep down to it, I think it says a ton about a person, its obvious that they chose that path (which is half a cowards way our in my opinion) and that tells me alot about that person. It tell you that they are the type of person, that choseto put themselves down, rather than try to elevate themselves. Sorry, I have no respect for that, or some one who would submit themselves to that, there is no good reason. These are the people I'm refering to when I say I hate goths, my opinions are mingled dependong the exact situation though.

Goths, we all know the general style, dyed hair, dressed in all black all the time, strange religions that seem to encourage depression (such as wiccan, etc) and general glumness. Oh all things, of all peoples, of all sub-cultures, I hate this group the most. The reason, simple, it takes people with good prospects for life and who are inteligent, and turns them into depressed, poor-preforming, unsocial members (or outcast depending on your view) of society. The problem, is that these people are going no where, and there is no laws that stop them from doing so. Unlike Gangsters and their lot, who tend to be going backwards till they hit jail and then that solves things often times, goths and the sub-culture (on the large majority) don't go anywhere, they neither advance themselves, yet they don't fall back. This leads to depression, which is a result of many converging forces, a number of them their fault, others not so. This depression becomes all consuming, and when one is depressed, they become more of a goth, and the cycle continues with a black hole into deeper and deeper areas of sadness, until one day they kill themselves. This cycle is breakable, but sometimes it is too late to undo the negative effects being a goth has had on their life. To add matters worse, wiccan (as an example of a religion) is very supressing, in the belief that all humans are mere ripples in a river of life (which I think is totaly poppycock) which is obviously a mental deterant. All in all, I hate the gothic sub-culture, becuase it largely leads its members towards oblivion. I've seen the effects first hand on friends of mine, and it is a sad fall which ends up in not very pretty places...so I hate it, the idea of the sub-culture is useless and a demeanor to society, nothing more, and it is impossible to be less...

I've been dying to see that actually, I didn't catch it when it was on. All said and through, the book can't even be passed off as "roughly based of factual info"...

Agreed...

I completely agree. There is a sad lack in knowledge of the greek aphabet, I learned it from my latin teacher originaly who happens to speak ancient greek as well... stupid hollywood... and btw, I won't see the movie till I've read the book. I never bothered reading it since it seemed relatively childish and infactual. Mainly I was mad at it becuase it "taught" a ton of wrong or sketchy ideas to people who had no idea of the subject and yes, now use it as a "reference"

Suicide was seen by the Romans good or bad depending on the context. In some terms, if a child was in some way making a bad image for the rest of his family, or had dishonored his family by commiting a crime or something etc. It was seen as honorable for that person to commit suicide and the Romans would admire how he had put his family before his own life. Also it was viewed in good context in military terms. The Romans considered Death before surrender to be very, very honorable and note worthy. After all, you fought for Rome through and threw, and would rather die by your own blade than by the blade of an enemy. In the bad context, it would be horrible for some one in debt to commit suicide, becuase that would leave his family in quite the situation, and probley if worse came to pass, his wife might have to become a slave to compensate. Also, in the negative context, would be if persay, a comander was to kill himself and leave his men divided. That would be an ultimate of cowerdlyness and dishonor

I've notived that, possibly bad connection, or alot of people on the UNRV server or something. plenty of reason for that Flavius