Sextus Roscius
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Agreed Virgil, Arab Christians have it incredibly hard.
As a comment to get back to the Topic here, I think it is sort of conflicting here that (as pointed out by another on page 1) that the most anti-Nazi & anti-Facist idea is individual liberty, which the Austrians are taking away by prohibiting a person to think what he wants.
Also, I would like to point out that American Anti-racism laws are higly different from Austria anti-Halocaust denial laws. It is one thing to hate black people for there race, and an entirely different peice of cake to deny history happened. Irving's statements are like some one denying that Japanese americans were put into camps durring WWII and that there was no racial hatred towards them.
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Ah well, Another good moment I'd love go do back and change, is when man first tied a stone to a stick, I would've been there and said. Now look, I've got a much better deal for you, you see that metal, go fetch boy!
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The End of major Political upheavals. I think after 3 very bloody civil wars almost directly after each other, Rome and her people wanted to relax.
This was aided by An Emperor, all of Rome under one Decisive Rule.
Infastructure
Military might
Etc.
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I don't say that out of hatred of any Religion, but out of hatred of violence as the result of the stems of Judaism. No offense Flavius, I think you were interpreting what I said in the wrong way...
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Irvings is half right on the point that Hitler himself did not over see the operations of the Halocaust personaly, that was the job of the S.S. which techniquely means Himmler
Also, I personaly find that just about everying Irving states can be disproved by simnply skimming over Mein Kampf by A. Hitler himself.... Which clearly indicates that Hitler was aware of what was going on and was indeed, knowledgable of and assisted the construction of the execution devices in concentration camps.
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History is like an unraveling coil, as it gets longer, the beginning becomes less and less firm, leaving what was once a strong and solid fact as weakly bound loose ends flailing away from the rope of knowledge
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You are given the ability to go back to any event in history and change it.
Stop Alexander the great from embarking on his journey by having him never be born, make sure Jesus doesn't die on the cross, Give Napolean a few extra hints which will lead him to take Russia. Go back and kill George Washington so America never existed, Expose Hitler for who he really was and stop WWII, Make sure the War in Iraq never happens, It's all up to you!
Personaly, I go back and make sure Judaism was never founded, then we would all live as nice, easy to accept the other, pagans and polytheistics, making sure that most all religious conflicts (especialy the modern ones) never would happen.
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While Irving is stupid and definately ignorant of facts and I can't agree with him, Austria can't and should not have jailed him. It is proof to the world that the Austrian Government is willing to override the right to free speech and freedom of opinion to some one becuase of there thoughts, as well as empowering a group of people to become better or more important than others.
While I don't agree with Irving, Austia's decision is a conflicition and a debasement to democracy. Whether he is right or wrong, you can't jail him becuase of what he thinks.
The very basis of democracy, is that all people are equal, no matter where they come from or what they've been through. Austria has just made sure they aren't
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Professor has been around since the previous professor did a Q&A session way back when. Nothing new.
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You shouldn't have a problem applying your morals to Nazi germany, though I don't. I judge them in the same way I judge the Romans (which is indeed highly controversial) and I have no problems doing so. Thats due to me learning about them from too young an age.
Though to get off that subject. I think overall when it comes down to it, how we judge or view ancient cultures from a moral standpoint really is whether they come from a familiar world of standards as we do and what time period the people or person in question existed in. Also, the world around that peoples at the time in question would give us a level of how good were they compared to the rest of the world.
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Personaly, my favorite documentaries (series) is the ancient discoveries series. Simply fascinating, comendable, and it completely reverses any though of the ancients being dumb. with the antikathera mechanism, roman supper mills, huge water wells, automaticly openning doors, and the bagdagh battery, there is so much more to it all. No substitute for that, it was my favorite series, and still is.
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In hindsight, view would be a much better word and be far more accurate. Though over all it I was trying to make a reference to how do we view their culture as moral, immoral, ethical, unethical, and right or wrong. So in a sense, with all the things they did added up, was it right or wrong. Thats the reasoning behind saying "judge" though view would work to.
I personaly marvel at what they did, and beleive it is comendable. Through all the things that they did, it made the world better. Which is certainly comendable. Even if certain parts of their culture was unseemly by our standards, that doesn't mean its wrong.
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Hmm, a trial on UNRV.... eh, or what not. Personaly, for my own safety, I'll just be standing over here. WAY, over here.
However, if worse comes to worse I'll help out my good buddy cato.
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A much disputed thing is how we judge the past. Many people judge the past as though it happened in modern times. Tell them that Romans had slaves and had gladiatorial shows for pure entertainment and they will be stuned. With crys of how cruel, shameless, and indeed heartless, the Romans were. Cursing them for a lack of resemblance to their hyper-humanitarian (at least where I live) western beliefs that think "hate" is the strongest word you can use.
On the off-hand, historians and professors, as well as the educated ( on the subject) will be perfectly acceptant when you bring up the subject and will say that for the time, some things the Romans did were realitively softer punishments compared to other civilizations. They compare that civilization to the world around it, not around us.
But which view is the correct one, should we be shocked at the habits of people 2000 years ago, look at them as though they knew our world and aimed to appease us, or should we view it from their standards, and the standards of the world around them, to see if that view makes sense, or makes casts what they did in a different light. Which is right? At least in your opinion.
Personaly, I support the second point of view, that we should judge by their worlds standards.
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I'll second that. In fact, we would capitalize on the situation and create a 'Babes of UNRV' calendar.
I agree, though we'd need a few more people, Afteral germanicus and Favonius can't make an entire caladener....
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The Love of my fatherland guides me
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Well um.... thats.....or....ig....inal? um......*shivers*......
I think I know who Flavius here will nominate...
As of me, um....I'm not really going to give you what I look like in a swimsuit....or evening wear...
But, may I be comentator on the preceedings? please...
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I'm not even on there, I'm in middle school...
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Well, um, Aegyptus, holding major urban and cultural centers long before Roman times, the true remnantes of Alexanders Empire.
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Are you fellows reclining on your stomachs, no the Romans would be lying on one side while doing this, it allowed them to have a spare arm while reclining on the other, and just to let you folks know, don't use any forks or what not. Romans ate with hands... Therefore any Roman food was bite size so to speak, making sure that one didn't have too much in one bite. So to point out, there way of eating works perfectly well when mixed with other aspects of culture.
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I'm not sure how fair an arguement it is to say that arabic numerals built sky-scrapers, while Roman Numerals built the coloseum. Thats not comparing thigns from the same time period at all, who could say what the Romans would've done 1500 years later, and besides, the Arabic Numerals ended up doing the things they did in the hands of non-arabs, so in the end, I think we can come to the conclusion that its not so much the number system, but who's hands it is in. And yes, many scholars of the time who spoke greek often learned the number system of the greeks which was profoundly more simple than Roman Numbers.
All and all, this is like saying which is more sophisticated, English or an African clicking language. Opinions vairy, but those among us who are practical will say english, while those of us who can't say that anything isn't sophisticated or better than others in its own aspect would argue for the clicking noises. Simple as that.
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Personaly, I took the liberty of trying that out by myself on my own couch one night when my parents were out, and no, I was starved becuase it was 6:00 and I hadn't eaten since 10:00 so I hate happily and finished my meal within half an hour, didn't get a stomach ache... though we might differ. Infact, I perfered it to eating in seats at a table.
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I find the "cure" for a stomach ace quite funny (this was a remedy used not uncommonly for a period of time)
you swallow a small amount of lead, which would, infact, make your stomach ache stop, but you'd be dead pretty soon.
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and trying to change it is like trying disprove everything the Church has stood for from the start of its birth.
Hell, we can try...
Cato, there is so winning against mysticism, if you care to stop the beleif, the only way is to destroy it, not change it, and they've got that covered to. As of the moment, fight against them only when what they say is hindering your own personal development or the development of those you care for. 2006 is not the time where we can fight the battle on the side of logic, and win...
Greatest Minds
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two people are rivals for me.
Cicero-a personal idol and a man who I strongly respect and who's philosophies I follow in daily life. A genius in terms of politics, oratory, philosophy, and law. He truely loved democracy and supported the republic, and faught Caesar's rise to power every step of the way. A truely ideal man.
Motzart- A saddly misunderstood genius who was obviously too smart for the world around him. I also admire his cunning and wit, as well as his obvious talent as a musician and a composer. One of the greatest if not the greatest man to ever walk the earth. The one and only true prodigy.