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Hi Crispina
Yes on second thoughts, Julius was in Italy at the time, but why portray him as they have?
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I love this controversial cable series in all and am still entertained enough by this "War of the Damned" series that I'll keep viewing, despite it's odd forays into historical fantasy upon occasion, but what the heck has happened to the character of Julius Caesar? He is more like Gannicus than Gannicus!
He is [in this] blonde, muscular and handsome, which I assume from the classical sources that Caesar was perhaps none of those, but instead maybe slight, dark-haired and balding, hence the famous laurel 'tiara'? Also I understand Caesar was quite stern and serious, like the portrayal of Octavian in 'Rome'? I may well be completely incorrect though.
Also, why is he featured here in the slave revolt of Spartacus at all - when he most likely wasn't even in Italy/Sicily at the time, but held as a valued prisoner by Aegean Pirates?
I notice there was no mention of Caesar's rumoured affair with King Nicomedes of Bithynia, the epithet of which "Queen of Bithynia" was levelled at him throughout his career and sung by his troops, whose campaign [in this series] he had just returned from?
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Hi Maty, thanks for that excellent post!
I think you've probably nailed it on the head, Venutius lacked the military and perhaps the factional support to take his [ex] queen/wife on. I am disliking Nikki Howarth's book on Cartimandua less and less.
Although the Brigantes seem to have revolted in 47ad (and 51 and 69) at the same time as the Iceni did the first time?
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Venutius was the husband of Queen Cartimandua of the huge Brigantes tribe, or conglomeration of smaller tribes, a client kingdom in what is loosely Yorkshire today, since 43ad when '12 kings' submitted to Emperor Claudius.
Whatever Venutius, perhaps a minor British noble who married 'above' himself, was doing prior to his huge rebellion in ad69 (until 72ad when the tribe was crushed?) we aren't sure? Why did he, as a presumably anti-Roman with much support amongst the tribes (and Welsh anti-Roman tribes?), not revolt in 51ad after his wife's 'treacherous' handing over of the heroic Caratacus to Rome?
- Was it due to the fact that Venuitius' own family were held as hostages by his wife?
- Was Venutius ill during ad60-61, or serving abroad?
- Was there an arrangement between him and Cartimandua, to put aised differences and keep the Brigantian peace?
- Was he biding his time for what he saw as 'the right moment' (69 when Rome was weakened and embroiled in a bitter civil war?)?
- Was he fearful of Rome's solid support of his pro-Roman wife and queen, especially after seeing the doomed first Iceni revolt?
Or was he only stirred into action when his queen and ex-wife married Vellocatus? Possibly this new lover/husband was a Roman (author Nicki Howarth suggests -
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I'd always understood that before battle, Hannibal's war elephants were given plenty of alcohol to stir them, plus fed figs so as to irritate their skin and anger them.
The mix of being drunk and irritable made them unstoppable.
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I emailed the site to ask how much p&p would be to the UK, I got this reply;-
"Dear Mr/Mrs, Thank you for your e-mail. Our shippingcosts to the United Kingdom are euro 14,35 per order.
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Well done, Kieronus!! Top marks for you and a very happy Christmas!
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Wow! That's what I call dedication!? Thanks.There's alot for me to get my teeth into- when I have a spare year!
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Thanks, gilius.
I have since 'acquired' the series Rome: Rise and fall of an Empire. I enjoyed the 'Bloody foreigners' series too.
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Thanks, guys, I knew you guys would have a good idea of recommended documentaries.
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The Dacian Wars under Trajan/Domitian and Agricola's/Severus's gruelling campaigns into [then] Scotland are fascinating eras, but have there been any decent documentaries about either?
I thought I remembered one about the former many years ago, but I may be mistaken? I'm thinking Timewatch or possibly History Channel?
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Thanks, Virgil,
You're probably right, but there's so much about this era that seems to be missing, or propagandised by the Romans?
The IInd could possibly have been involved in quashing a revolt in that region, or simply that as Posthumus' legate was away (serving on Paulinus' staff?) he may have heard about the fate of the IXth and, with only part of a legion, stayed put?
I think that Cerialis was Vespasian's brother in-law, married to Flavia (older sister of Vespasian)?
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Someone from my forum posted about this recently. The contemporary sources are relatively scant regarding the entire Boudican revolt of 60-61ad, but a possible timeline of the second Iceni revolt of 60-61ad could be;-
- Thetford 60ad, where Boudicca launched her carefully-planned campaign, having bided her time- despite her rage at her flogging/daughter's rapes- and stealthy gathering of warriors and weapons in secret from beneath Roman eyes.
- Two days march, in a seething mass of Iceni-Trinovantian warriors, to cover the 40m and reach Camulodunum (Colchester)
- One, maybe two more days to ravage and sack the vulnerable city. Claudius
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It's semi-fantasy, just as Kubrick's version was, chill out without heavy reviews and just enjoy the Roman excesses on the five senses!
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Well, I've tried watching this drama, but am sick of failing to understand a bloody word being spoken.
Why are these morons not releasing the dvd in the US or Britain? Talk about severing your own profits?
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I accept that we know the dangers, but avaricious Governments might think on another level entirely, devoid of much morality and sense of law, their ambitions for an 'edge' could know no bounds, risks thrown out of the window?
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If the US/UK Govt scientists, for example, successfully developed time travel ability, would they keep it secret and flout any relevant international laws pertaining to torture or the Geneva convention to travel back to a specific point in time, and change history politically and militarily in our favour?
If so, which point in time would they travel back to? And change what? Maybe to the pre-medieval era to convert or dilute Islam? To the 1930's and kill Hitler? Or nothing?
It would depend upon whose opinion or policies it was based upon, or whether, like the difference between ghosts and poltergeists, they were able to interract with anyone, ie to be seen or heard, or whether they would just simply be 'witnesses' to historic events?
And, hypothetically (maybe this topic will be a consiuderation in the future?) what if a coalition of the reasonably wealthy but 'unstable' (ie. not necessarily Western or Developed) nations achieved this ability? What might they try to change, if they could?
On a practical level, if they shared this technology with trusted (by the West) international heads of state, what kind of team/s or experts would they put together? Historians? Archaeologists? Armed bodyguards (Special forces)? Doctors? Linguists? Clerics?
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Has no-one been able to locate this excellent docu-drama anywhere yet?
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The film opens in Germania with the two men, Generals Maximus and Quintus, as friends.
Fair enough, Maximus has snubbed Commodus and Quintus stays loyal, maybe to survive, but why does he never seem to show any sign of sympathy for the man's wife and son, remorse or regret for turning away from his friend, especially as he knows the truth?
Quintus leaves it way too late to help his old friend, when he is dying in the arena? The film just fails to explore this in depth?
Plus, the army who love their general doesn't revolt, or merit any mention other than they grow 'bored and fat'??
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There are other ways of 'acquiring' the episodes of both series?
All depends upon one's principles.My tastes have changed over the years, as I love this series' sex and ultra-gore, as well as the devious politicking, hate The Tudors (producing the new 'Camelot' which I'm anticipating) and used to love Gladiator more than I do now.
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Thanks for your answers, guys!
I was thinking of Priscus, yes, whom (if memory serves) was one of few legendary gladiatorial bouts to be documented in detail. Their story was told in this doc Colosseum: A Gladiator's Story
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Taste is subjective, and as we watch the various forms of entertainment, we have to decide if we are going to sit bitterly sneering at the screen, or hang-up our hang-ups in willing suspension of disbelief and ignore errors, criticisms and dislikes, and enjoy what is being shown? Of course Spartacus is not perfect, but so what?
I also thought it a blend/copy of other shows, but few American films/series (or any other media) don't ape others to any degree (Magnificent Seven, etc)? Most productions bend facts and made errors! I still stand by what I said above.
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It's fairly action fantasy which almost made me not watch it. But I found the series (I've seen up to ep.10 now) a compelling blend of Gladiator, Rome and 300 in style and gore. Even unmissable at times? The script, storylines and characterisations (for me) are brilliant, although even die-hard fans admit that the weakest two episodes are the first two.
I was wondering about one or two things, though;
- Did 'The Pits' really exist, like modern cage fighting?
- Wasn't there a real life Gladiatorial legend called Crixus, or something similar?
- Would the childless widow of a Dominus really 'be forced to re-marry'?
Documentaries on The Dacian Wars or 'Scottish' campaign?
in Colosseum
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Hey cilius, old thread but, do you still have "Britain's Lost mega-Fortress'' on dvd?