Guest spank_the_pig Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 If someone could help me I will be very happy, i just need a couple things that would be different if he never existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spartacus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 There would have been more Gauls alive! Gallic Tribal harmony - Julias played one off against another! No Roman civil War Stability in Rome Theres a few to start with ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeius magnus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 There are so many roman civil wars another would have popped up and with or without Caesar there would have not been any stability as is obvious with Sulla and Marius. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skel Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 how is it that julius cuased a civil war? i dont know much at all about roman politics... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus Pilus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Rome wouldn't have continued on its path towards western world dominance without Caesar, and most especially his heir Augustus. Without their individual leadership, Rome would've eventually split off into various factions and petty kingdoms, in my opinion, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spank_the_pig Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 thx for the responds they are really helpful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pompeius magnus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Tell your professor this is a redundant question and asking the what if question is not a good way to educate students as it leads to too many arguments and possiblities. If I ever got asked to do a paper on this type of topic I would refuse to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus Pilus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Tell your professor this is a redundant question and asking the what if question is not a good way to educate students as it leads to too many arguments and possiblities. If I ever got asked to do a paper on this type of topic I would refuse to do it. Indeed, there is no 'right and wrong' answer to this. Its a poor method of education. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Regulus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Probably most significantly Rome might have remained a Republic for a little longer. This may have changed things considerably. There were still some pretty ambitious types running around. Yes, my Celtic friends in France might be still alive and maybe more united. Tribalism ran pretty deep before he got there. The who crossing the Rubicon phrase does not make it into our vocabulary or the idea of the die is cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demson Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Tell your professor this is a redundant question and asking the what if question is not a good way to educate students as it leads to too many arguments and possiblities. If I ever got asked to do a paper on this type of topic I would refuse to do it. Indeed, there is no 'right and wrong' answer to this. Its a poor method of education. True about the right or wrong, but it does make students look into the situation more. Knowledge of historical facts is one thing, insight in the why is another. It's a good assignment if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus Pilus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Yes, its a veiled attempt at saying, what did Rome/Caesar do for western civilization. Perfectly legitimate question. The 'what if' direction sends it off in a tangent though. Oh well, better to discuss historical repurcussions in some manner than not at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demson Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Magnus's and PP's had me thinking, I forgot to reply to the actual topic. Heh. i just need a couple things that would be different if he never existed Others kind of brought it up, but let me continue on it. Would Caesar have not succesfully invaded gaul, the Celtic society would have had more room to develop. We would have a much bigger Celtic influence in our present Western culture. More surrealism in our artworld, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Regulus Posted March 2, 2005 Report Share Posted March 2, 2005 Would Caesar have not succesfully invaded gaul, the Celtic society would have had more room to develop. Now this is one of the great 'what if's' of history. If Celtic civilization had developed a little farther it might have caused problems for Rome, much like Carthage. Some of Celtic society did survive fora while in Britiana in areas like Wales and Scotland. God bless those Picts. But because they were always fighting Rome it seems they had to become more warlike if that is possible. In War societies develop the culture side a little slower at times. The question gets you think about what Caeser's effect on history was and what might have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatboy Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 Its certainly interesting stuff alright, the implications of the magical removal from history of someone of Julius Ceasar's stature is always going to create some serious reprecussions. To find the minimum impact possible I suppose it could be argued that the way the republic was headed, somebody was going to seize control pretty soon ( if it held together of course ), and that the expansion under the Empire would have simply happened a few years later and under different Emperors. But even in that case - the bare minimum disruption caused - the implications would be huge. I don't know much about Augustus's early life, I know he was Julius's protege but - formidable as he was - would the young Augustus/Octavian have had any opportunity to get where he did without Julius's patronage I wonder? ( cos its hard to see an Empire without Augustus ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus Pilus Posted March 3, 2005 Report Share Posted March 3, 2005 I don't know much about Augustus's early life, I know he was Julius's protege but - formidable as he was - would the young Augustus/Octavian have had any opportunity to get where he did without Julius's patronage I wonder? ( cos its hard to see an Empire without Augustus ? No he was of a relatively minor family and was virtually unknown prior to his emergence as Caesar's heir. Without the events of Caesar's life, my guess is Octavian never would've even been a player of any note at all on the world stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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