Segestan Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Eventually this Submission movement will be settled in another Battle of Marathon. Athens saved the Western World at Marathon. When or Where the brake is put on submission is yet to be determined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Eventually this Submission movement will be settled in another Battle of Marathon. Athens saved the Western World at Marathon. When or Where the brake is put on submission is yet to be determined. Salve, S! Marathon didn't save even Athenian world; Eretria and Naxos were still there after the Persian sack. Marathon was one giant leap for Athens, one small step back for the Empire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Why should the reborn Caliphate have to resort to military invasion for conquest? Their citizens happily and lawfully emigrate into one's backyard. There they sneer and deride the very open societies which gave them the freedom to emigrate in the first place. They come not to adopt their new country's culture, but to impose their Theocracy on their neighbors. Right now they don't have the numbers, but that could change later century. They just bide their time. Until then, to keep things interesting, they murder the occasional filmmaker that dares to say the slightest negative thing about their home cultures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segestan Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 <<<<Marathon didn't save even Athenian world; Eretria and Naxos were still there after the Persian sack. Marathon was one giant leap for Athens, one small step back for the Empire. >>>> You are confusing Marathon with Thermopylae. Marathon was a complete Victory for the Hellenic World over the Tyranny of Persia. Darius expedition was a continuation of the Conquest of Ionia and Lydia by Cyrus. Marathon was a direct result of the Ionian Revolt against the oppression of Eastern Tyranny and Submission. It was this Battle that was the turning back of Easternism. If Athens had lost the battle all Europe would have fallen to the Eastern Barbarians. Though the Hellenic culture ; with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Salve, guys! More or less one in five humans is Muslim. Almost a hundred nations have Muslim communities bigger than that of Brunei (officially and predominantly Islamic). Check it HERE Currently, the biggest community is Indonesian. India has the 3rd one. Egypt (biggest Arab country) the 5th. Turkey the 6th, Nigeria the 8th, China the 10th, Uzbekistan the 17th, Russia the 21st, US the 37th, France the 62nd and UK the 69th . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 (edited) <<<<Marathon didn't save even Athenian world; Eretria and Naxos were still there after the Persian sack. Marathon was one giant leap for Athens, one small step back for the Empire. >>>> You are confusing Marathon with Thermopylae. Marathon was a complete Victory for the Hellenic World over the Tyranny of Persia. Darius expedition was a continuation of the Conquest of Ionia and Lydia by Cyrus. Marathon was a direct result of the Ionian Revolt against the oppression of Eastern Tyranny and Submission. It was this Battle that was the turning back of Easternism. If Athens had lost the battle all Europe would have fallen to the Eastern Barbarians. Salve, S! I don't know if someone can possibly confound two such different battles; almost only thing in common is that the figures of most accounts of both battles are crudely exaggerated chauvinistic propaganda, some of them simply absurd. Before Marathon, the same "Eastern Barbarians" of the same Persian fleet had successfully attacked and sacked Eretria and Naxos, two small cities even by Hellenic standard. After their respective defeats and for Centuries later, both cities were still Hellenic and free of "Eastern tyranny". Edited July 28, 2007 by ASCLEPIADES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segestan Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 chauvinistic propaganda, some of them simply absurd. Says who ? Your take reads like the feminist propaganda! says..Me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 chauvinistic propaganda, some of them simply absurd. Says who ? Your take reads like the feminist propaganda! says..Me! Salve, S! Not knowing how all of this got us to "feministic propaganda", I don't know how to answer. (BTW, chauvinistic and feministic are not antonyms). I decline to continue this exchange of ideas, as I prefer to wait for some more palatable topics to go to the Arena. Cheers and good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Salve, guys! A difficult way for Turkey to EU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Religion is the opiate of the masses... I think this couldnt be more true for countries of eastern Europe. I think this conservatism is nothing more then a byproduct of problems faced by a given society as it pushes towards the west. With no strong history of democracy and liberalism, much of eastern Europe escapes communist totalitarianism only to drift into corrupt democracies where the very minor gains are quickly sucked up by the new ruling elite. Discouraged, the masses herd towards the conservatives who claim to be defending the "good old values" lost in the new society, now rife with abortion, prostitution, crime, drugs etc. etc. Poland's case it's different compared to other Eastern European countries. When they recreated their state in 1918 they were highly nationalistic and promoted catholicism while treating ruff the minorities (germans, jews, ukrainians) and promoting an expansionist policy. The catholic church was the backbone of a revived polish nation that have been divided before that beetwen 3 states. After the war with the Soviets they got Eastern Ukraine and other areas with ukrainian and bielorussian majorities, also parts of Lithuania including Vilinus. They tried to annex Cehoslovakian Silesia and refused to return Upper Silesia to Germany despite the fact that the population voted for Germany in a Ligue referendum. The conflict with Cehoslovacia was a serious blow to the french plan of a larger European alliance to keep the soviets and germans confined. Poland was active in the desmemberment of Cehoslovacia that was the prologue of WW2 and this shows how stupid Chamberlain was when he started the war for Poland. After the war they had no more national minorities but even the communists showed a shocking antisemitism that no other communist country had. The catholic church of Poland was very strong and became the focus of anticomunist oppostion. Their influence grow when one of them became pope. When communists fell the church became extremly strong and the collapse of Solidarity only helped them. At the moment Poland looks like a teocratic state with catholic morality gaining legal force. The interdiction of abortion it's one example. The doctors refused to perform abortions as being imoral and that became law. The polish religious nationalism it's at odds with european values of secularism and human rights and that is why they try to keep the EU as weak as possible while they benefit the economical advantages of the Union. Compared with the catholic church of Poland the romanian orthodox clergy are fluffy bunnies (and now the patriarh it's dead, the same one that worshipped Ceausescu in every service while the dictator was busy demolishing old churches) The polish atitude had more to do with the way they created their national/religious identity then with their geographic location. Cehia, Hungary, Slovenia etc have a comparable history but a very different attitude towards religion. P.S. Ursus I fully agree with what you said. The radical islamists are not a security danger from the outside of the West but from the inside. The funniest thing it's that OUR rights are at risk because the goverments in their liberalist blindess of difference refuse to accept that terorists are muslim, male, with Middle East origins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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