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Ever read this article? I find it very interesting:
http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/2778/87/
Many believe that illegal immigration is reaching such levels that it threatens our national security, and perhaps even our national survival. Others believe that we should give legal status to those who already illegally in our country.
We have already done this once, in 1986, and the result was that millions more, seeing that there was hope for eventual legal status, came here illegally, hoping for amnesty. We now have two and one half times more illegals in the country than we did in 1986.
If we continue to do this eventually we will reach a point, if we haven't already, where there are so many aliens in the country that they will not adopt our culture, they will not learn our customs, and they will never become Americans.
It has happened before. Just ask the Romans.
Around the middle of 4th century AD, conditions outside the boundaries of the Roman Empire began to develop which caused increasing numbers of people who were not subjects of Rome to desire entry into the Empire.
In 376, a tribe called the Visigoths living in Dacia (modern-day Romania) petitioned for permission to move south of the Danube River and settle in the Empire.
Just as there are many here who believe that both sides benefit from the employment of the illegal immigrants, there were actually those in Rome who thought there was some benefit to allowing the barbarians to come in.
No one took account of the law of unexpected consequences. Despite their agreement to do so, the Visigoths did not disarm. Because they were armed and the Roman legions were away at the frontiers trying to keep out more barbarians, the Visigoths found they were free to begin looting and plundering.
The Visigoths were not alone. Other barbarians, learning of the happy times the Visigoths were having, decided that they, too, would like to participate. The hordes continued to trickle in. Finally, in 407, the Rhine River froze over and thousands of Germanic tribesmen crossed the ice and poured into Gaul.
This drew so many legions away from the defense of Rome that Alaric (370-410), the Visigoth King, was able to sack the Eternal City itself.
This disaster prompted the legions to withdraw from Roman Britain , never to return. Britain, without the forces of law and order, descended into chaos. France and Spain, after a period of turmoil, became Germanic kingdoms only nominally allied with Rome.
The barbarians entered the Roman Empire in order to seek better lives. The Romans thought their economy would benefit from having the Visigoths settle on farms. Aren't we being told that our illegals are doing jobs that Americans won't do and that our economy would suffer without low-cost labor?
The Romans changed their laws to give the Visigoths legal status. Once the Visigoths had legal status, Ostrogoths, Alans, Burgundians, and Suevi wanted to enter the Empire and gain legal status also.
Compare this with amnesty granted to illegals by the Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) of 1986.
Immediately after passage of IRCA, approximately 2.7 million illegal immigrants received green cards. Over the next 11 years another 1.3 million illegal immigrants were given green cards.
An unintended consequence of IRCA was the fact that by the end of 1996 there were already another 5 million illegal immigrants here. They included many relatives of the of the 4 million who had been granted amnesty.
It is estimated that there are between 12 and 20 million illegal aliens in the United States. Under proposals being considered by Congress, almost all of these will be given the opportunity to gain legal status and eventual citizenship.
According to the Heritage Foundation, over the next 20 years perhaps as many as 50 million immigrants could gain legal status. These immigrants too will have relatives who will want to come to the United States and, just as before, many of these will come illegally.
Thus, if these proposals are enacted into law, we can expect an unimaginable influx of illegal aliens. What effect will this have on the laws, the culture and the political structure of the United States?
The influx of the Germanic tribes after 408 overwhelmed Roman law, smothered Roman culture, and caused the legions, for the most part, to be withdrawn to Italy.
We are already at a point where there are so many illegal aliens in the United States that many feel no need to learn English or otherwise assimilate. However, if they are given legal status, they will become voters. In fact, some believe that a number of illegal aliens already vote in US elections.
What will happen if so large a group of unassimilated alien voters remains within our borders?
One hint as to what it might be like can be seen in France where there are housing developments into which law enforcement rarely, if ever, ventures. That is to say, there are parts of France which are no longer governed by French law. Is this our future?
We are at a crisis point. Either effective action has to be taken now or we face disaster. Rational people recognize that the first step is to gain control of our borders. Next we must do something about the 10 to 12 million illegal aliens who are in the country.
Immigration advocates point out it would be logistically impossible to deport this many aliens. However, these people are here to work. If existing laws against the employment of illegal aliens were enforced, the magnet of employment would disappear. Without the prospect of work many or most of the illegals would deport themselves.
The presence of millions of people who have no regard for our culture, who speak little English, and whose loyalties lie elsewhere is not a recipe for a healthy country. The prospect of taking action to legalize millions of immigrants and attract tens of millions more illegal aliens is a recipe for national suicide.
If that seems far fetched, remember, the Romans thought it was safe to legalize hordes of immigrants. Look what it did for Rome.
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Maybe he wasn't a civil rights leader, but there seemed to have been a rise of anti-nordic bigotry during Honorius' reign:
http://www.jaysromanhistory.com/romeweb/romarmy/art10.htm
http://www.jaysromanhistory.com/romeweb/romarmy/art11.htm
http://jaysromanhistory.com/romeweb/enemies/art17.htm
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Would you consider King Alaric to be a civil rights leader? I've read about the Goths and how badly they were discriminated and them fighting back.
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The Roman literati certainly followed the Greek tradition.
True. Some claim that the Greek gods originated from Egyptian or Berber ones.
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http://www.newanimal.org/satyr.htm
Could anything like a satyr really exist? Before examining that question through the lens of cryptozoology, we first need a basic definition to work with. The best place to go for that definition is folklore (the modern sightings will be examined afterwards). In legends and mythology, satyrs look like men with pointed ears, horns, and goat legs. They are tricksters and symbols of the sensual life, closely associated with sex and with Dionysus, the god of wine.
There were a number of variations on the basic satyr legend. Sometimes there were odd versions of the standard satyr, such as those that substituted the body parts of antelopes or horses instead of goats, and some that breathed through holes in their chests. The satyrs with horse hindquarters and ears were called "sileni." Monkeys of various sorts were once shown to a credulous public as satyrs, even though they do not fit the basic description found in mythology.
Much to the embarrassment of cryptozoologists, satyrs are not confined to time-worn mythology. Modern sightings of satyrs have continued, though they are not especially common when compared to the large masses of other hairy humanoid sightings that keep Bigfoot researchers so busy. In keeping with their mythical connection to sex, they are often reported by teens who have been having sex in cars. Satyr-like beings, such as the Lake Worth monster, are frequently interpreted by cryptozoologists as misidentified Bigfoots. The basic idea is that, if the creature that is being reported sounds like a satyr, it can't possibly be a satyr. Therefore, it has to be something else.
Two of the most notable satyrs of modern America are the Pope Lick monster of Kentucky and the creature called "Goatman" which is usually associated with Maryland, but this same label is sometimes applied to sightings of satyr-like creatures from any American state, regardless of how far away from Maryland it is. Other creatures of interest are the Chevo Man of California and the Marshall Goatman of Texas.
The Maryland "Goatman" is reported as very aggressive, especially towards teenage lovers. It is often seen carrying an axe, and its activities include damaging cars and killing animals. There are also unsubstantiated reports of the Maryland Goatman killing humans. In sightings, it can appear as a standard satyr-like form, or with almost the opposite anatomy: a naked human with a goat's head. Most of the sightings take place in Prince George
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The Greeks believed that Zeus and Hera live in Mt. Olympus. But what about the Romans? Did they believe that Jupiter and Juno live in the same mountain... or perhaps in an Italian-based mountain such as Vesuvius or the Alps?
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I think you said there are 79 people. Sounds like a village, but it's a start. There's bound to be some "elders" among them.
I want to know how keeping a journal was viewed in 450 CE, or if this was something even done, but maybe expressed differently. Would a Roman in this time express aspects of daily life in a "Codex" or just on papyrus or parchment?
Also, I've noticed that I'm a servi and a Tiro. Are these terms related to slavery? In Saylor's book ROMAN BLOOD, he has a slave who is Cicero's legal assistant named Tiro.
So far, we got 84 people. As for writing, I'm not sure.
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I just joined here and on Facebook-Late Antiquity. Can research questions be asked on the Facebook page?
Sure, if there's a lot of people in that Facebook group.
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As Facebook wasn't exactly meant for prolonged, meaningful dialogue among strangers, I wouldn't hold your breath.
So far, we're up to 79 members. But hopefully we'll get more. Gotta popularize Late Roman History!
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Yes there would have been Centurions, but with the army reform they probably commanded a different number of soldiers and not 80.
They would have looked more like this, and not like they used to in the Early empire.
Ohhhhh ok.
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Where there centurions in the Late Roman Military? If so, got any pictures?
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Not correct. Patrick wasn't sent by Rome, he was captured in Britain by Irish raiders and enslaved, later freed and formed his own christian movement which colonised Britain and influenced Europe. The Roman Catholic mission of Augustine was sent to put Britain back on track which caused some confrontation because his Saxon converts had different ideas about worship than the celtic-christians. It wasn't the first time Rome had sought to restore conventional christianity, Bishop Germanus of Auxerre had arrived in 429 to do the same thing against Pelagianism (and succeeded, his reported return visit in 440 remaining suspect)
I didn't say he was sent by Rome. I called him a Roman missionary, 'cause he was a Roman citizen who was also a missionary.
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There's this one DC Comic character named "John Constantine". I'm not sure if he's named after the emperor or not.
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Here's a facebook group dedicated to the Late Antiquity:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&a...;gid=8525325207
I just discovered it a few minutes ago, but I really hope for more members.
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Old King Cole - A reference to Coel Hen, a British warlord associated with the command of the eastern part of Hadrian's Wall in the 4th century
DANG!! Forgot about 'im!
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This topic discusses late Roman history that is referenced in today's pop-culture:
St. Valentine's Day - Celebrating a Roman martyr (d. ca. 269)
Santa Claus - Based on St. Nicholas (270 - 6 December 346)
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do." - Saying from St. Ambrose (c. between 337 and 340
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Celter Skelter is a 48bc play based on the 50bc scroll by warrior Vincent Bugliosix and Curt Gentrix. In Roman Gaul, it performed over two nights. In some provinces it was shown in theaters with additional scenes (nudity, language and more violence).
The play is based upon the murders committed by the Charles Mansonix Family. The best-known victim was queen Sharon Tatenkhamun.
According to the theory put forward by the prosecution, Mansonix used the term for an anticipated civil war, and "celter skelter" was scrawled in blood on the atrium door at the house of one of the victims.
The 48bc play, directed by Cacofonix, stars Ast
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Hahaha! Did you come up with these yourself, kurtedwr? Very clever!
-- Nephele
LOL, yeah, while I was posting at a FaceBook fan club!
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Armorican History X
Armorican Pie
BASEketgaul
The Best Little Boarhouse in Texas
Bio-Rome
Gaul Blart: Gaul Cop
Celter Skelter
Chariot the Spy
Coming to Armorica
Dodgegaul: A True Underdog Story
Dogmatix
Gaul-E
Gauls of Fury
Gaulrats
The Longest Bard
Made in Armorica
Menhir in Black
Potion's Eleven
Rome Alone
Romeward Bound: The Incredible Journey
Space Gauls
Starboars
Walk Bard: The Dewey Cox Story
When a Stranger Gauls
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So I guess these leather hats looked like beanies.
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I think I read that it was the wife of the patrician family that usually did the grocery shopping. And also, slaves who couldn't speak Latin had more difficulty to escape.
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Leafing through the info I have (it isn't much) I discover the phrygian style floppy hat Nephele described was quite common in lower classes regardless of freedman status, and was also worn by off duty legionaries.
I think the floppy hats were also worn by late Roman archers.
Leather hats. There's a mention of leather hats shaped like helmets worn instead of the metal variety, and only for socialising or whatever. Vegetius confirms that hats had become the thing for the well dressed pleb (though he does confuse the issue by implying they were worn in earlier periods for which there is little archaeological evidence.Did these leather hats have side flaps like helmets? On one of the History Channel episodes of Barbarian Invasions, I remember seeing a few Plebs wearing hats that resemble the brimless caps that Muslims today wear?
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Here's a webcomic page with an anonymous Roman Emperor watching a game: http://www.tsmcginnis.com/028.html
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Didn't the Scythians wear something similar to that?
Upon being set free, former slaves would wear the pilleus or pilleum
Little Caligulas Pizza
in Colosseum
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