[Jews in Rome]

I know that it is true, but how did the Jews become citizens in those days?

 

Presumably the same way that non-Roman-born gentiles became citizens. Through manumission would be one way, and there were Jewish slaves in early Rome. Or through service to Rome and additionally by becoming a client of an influential Roman.

 

Didn't the Jewish historian Josephus (a.k.a. Titus Flavius Josephus) eventually gain his Roman citizenship by such means -- adopting the praenomen and gens name of his Roman patron Titus Flavius Vespasianus and using his original, Latinized name, Josephus, as his cognomen (as was customary)?

 

-- Nephele

 

 

Having read that even in the suburb of Rome where the Julii lived that there was a synagogue, would anyone happen to know when did the first Jews settle in Rome, what were their roles and how well were they accepted (I'm imagining pretty badly).

synagogue, would anyone happen to know when did the first Jews settle in Rome

[The Rise Of Christianity]

Quote: Modern Christianity is a pagan aberration. It has NOTHING to do with the "Law" that Jesus spoke about. It completely condradicts everything in the Law. The law has dietary laws, Christianity threw them out the window.

 

Gladius xx, your comments above are somewhat troubling. First of all, why would Jesus Christ heal on the Sabbath? I agree that there are these antinomian heretic religions out here today that follow NO laws but their own, but the majority of Christians teach and follow, or should follow, the 10 commandments and the

[The Rise Of Christianity]

Quote: That is my point. Jesus was a devout follower of Judaism

 

Yes, but Jesus would fit in more with the Messianic Jews of today as would Peter, James, John and the other apostles. I wonder what Judaism will be called after the

[The Rise Of Christianity]

From Theodora

 

Quote:

[The Rise Of Christianity]

To my learned friend Theodora:

Note that Eusebius, as you probably know, was a later Church father or the Pauline mould and hence his testimony regarding the reconciliation between Paul and James is not reliable. Of course he is going to show that there was a reconciliation, that is precisely what Acts of the Apostles tries to do. Pauline writers took great pains to show that their mission was not incompatible with what was taught by Jesus and his immediate following. The fact is that Paul was summoned at least twice before the council presided over by James the Just in order to give an account of himself because what he was preaching in Gentile lands did not even remotely resemble the original message of Jesus. Thereafter there was an irreconcilable split which is not totally attested to in the New Testament but does survive in remains of apocryphal works that were banned by the Church establishment.

In fact if Dr. Eisenman's hypothesis about the Qumran community being Proto- Christian is true, then those Dead Sea Scroll writings do mention a certain unnamed person, known variously as the Enemy, the Spouter of Lies, and the Deceiver, that supposedly infiltrated the community outwardly professing their faith and inwardly working to undermine it by misrepresenting it to the Gentile community at large.

I don't think it takes much second guessing to figure out who this person was

Also, if Eusebius does "rely heavily" on Josephus, where in Josephus is there a mention of a reconciliation between the Jerusalem Church and Paul?. I don't even remember Josephus even mentioning Paul in any of his works

 

 

to Gladius xx:

 

I did reread Dr. Eisenman

[The Rise Of Christianity]

He conscientiously practiced it and so did his disciples. They kept the Sabbath, kept the dietary laws, and worshipped in the Temple. On top of everything, they were anti Herodian and anti Roman.

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To Gladius xx

From Theodora:

Re: He conscientiously practiced it and so did his disciples. They kept the Sabbath, kept the dietary laws, and worshipped in the Temple. On top of everything, they were anti Herodian and anti Roman.

Acts Chapter11, describes how the apostle Peter, a strict law-abiding Jew, underwent a profound change in attitude toward eating that which was formerly called

[Historical Jesus Found!]

I do however, like to discuss the creation of the Christian story and where it came from.

[The Rise Of Christianity]

IMHO three things apply:

 

A spectacular record of healing in the first 300 years - this diminished thereafter;

 

It was a mystery religeon when such things were fashionable;

 

It admitted women - which rival cults such as Mithraism did not.

 

Phil

 

There were other mystery cults which allowed women Like Isis which were popular as well weren't there?

 

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Theodora

 

Re: The Popularity and Rise of Christianity

 

Dr. Robert Eisenman, in his book, Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered (1992, Element Books,UK), highlights one of the texts found in the Qumran corpus entitled,

[The Rise Of Christianity]

IMHO three things apply:

 

A spectacular record of healing in the first 300 years - this diminished thereafter;

 

It was a mystery religeon when such things were fashionable;

 

It admitted women - which rival cults such as Mithraism did not.

 

Phil

 

There were other mystery cults which allowed women Like Isis which were popular as well weren't there?

 

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Theodora

 

Re: The Popularity and Rise of Christianity

 

Dr. Robert Eisenman, in his book, Dead Sea Scrolls Uncovered (1992, Element Books,UK), highlights one of the texts found in the Qumran corpus entitled,