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  1. Can anyone please explain the exact meaning of this quote? What is the source of this info?

    "...and after the reign of Augustus all new colonies in Gaul were full Roman colonies, so that the number of Latin citizens was reduced."

    http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=IWV5flr...p;q&f=false

     

    Could it mean that all Civitates were upgraded to Coloniae or does it simply mean that Municipia were reduced?

     

    Also, I've heard a rumour that certain gallic towns with a forum-basilica, such as Paris, only held vicus status? True or false?

     

    No one can understand this, it looks like a contradition, the autor should explane more much...Well i'll do it for him :

     

    According to my informations the remnants of the period Gallo roman are few, and the history of roman paris doesn't look very interesting, whatever the romans left their colonies to the inhabitants "for the Gauls and Germans" . The Gauls accepted the civilization and the supremacy of the romans. They are even become an example within the Empire. The romans left to that dominated the choice of religion and so the number of Latin citizens was reduced...

     

    I don't know if you can red french, for me i prefer most ancient books like this one about the Roman History of Paris and Galic towns "1893" from the famus French Library 'Gallica' :

    <a title='Lien vers le document' href='http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k76041f'><img alt='Dissertations sur l histoire eccl

  2. I'm curious to know how the "i" in Latin (Julius = Iulius = yoo-lius) became the "j" we now say in English. The shift obviously happened in Italy as well, since they have names like "Giuliana." Though it's interesting that they use different letters to get the same phonetic. Did the "j" sound develop in Latin in a certain region or dialect, or start appearing at a certain time? Was it there by late Antiquity?

     

     

    Not only I

     

    The equevalent prononciation differse according to local traditions and tongs :

    All probabilities for letter "J" are :

    I Also the german J in Julia (Yulia)

    J Like German Julia (Yulia) i love it

    G Like most north africa germany egypt Gemella (Guemella)

    Rh Arabic appelation of the Gazal is a french R (Rhazal) we can find also (Gezel or Jezel or even Casal)

    K or Deutsch Ch : Peoples who can't pronociate Spanish J they turn it to Deutscher Ch or K

    Kh : Like spanish Julio.

  3. Niceday all members.

     

    During my net life, i saw hundreds of websites especialy forum sites where people of all the world corners met, everyone with his personal mentality, where you can see, know and understand a thousands of mentalities and experiences...

    UNRV was one of the most simple and elegant forum site.

     

    A thank and a big respect to UNRV Administrators and all memebers who merrits and even who do not.

  4. How much Imperors was Caesaried? How much Caesar in The History of the Empire?

    The correct name is Caesar not Ceasar.

     

    Was there a developped Hospitals?

    Who are the most known Ancient Rome Medecs and Sergians?

     

    (I'm in Vet medical studies) B)

     

    Instructions of UNRV Administrator Nephele:

    I hope tha the answers would be referenced with schloar and agreed resources, names of professors articles, without coping word by word.

    Wikipedia is not an accepted source.

     

     

     

    Signature:

    :P

  5. Before reading this topic ! This's just for knowledge.

    This's not an advertising ! You'r adults and everyone is free and responsible about him self.

     

    No need to be so defensive, we have an entire subforum dedicated to Rome and religions and I guess this belongs there.

     

    Previous HollyBooks and testaments didn't talk about Rome ...

     

    The New Testament mentions Rome and romans many times.

     

    Well thank you for your sympathy!

    I was already afread of bad people.

  6. Previous HollyBooks and testaments didn't talk about Rome ...
    The New Testament mentions Rome and romans many times.
    In fact, the New Testament is a collection of books from Romans (at least one author was a Roman citizen) for Romans about a Roman peregrinus.

     

    Can you link me to it.

     

    Whatever someday you gonna hear the truth.

  7. Before reading this topic ! This's just for knowledge.

    This's not an advertising ! You'r adults and everyone is free and responsible about him self.

    Previous HollyBooks and testaments didn't talk about Rome and the last HollyBook Quran in the last Ibrahimic Religion talked about Rome in a special topic called ' El Rum '

    Surat El Rum is number 30 it contains 60 ayat

    Quran contains 114 Surat

     

    quran1.jpg

    Page one down : الروم

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    Next pages 1-2

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    Next pages 3-4

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    Next pages 5-6

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    Translation : Of 1st 10 ayat

     

    30.1 . Alif . Lam . Mim .

     

    30.2 . The Romans have been defeated

     

    30.3 . In the nearer land , and they , after their defeat will be victorious

     

    30.4 . Within ten years Allah ' s is the command in the former case and in the latter and in that day believers will rejoice

     

    30.5 . In Allah ' s help to victory . He helpeth to victory whom He will . He is the Mighty , the Merciful .

     

    30.6 . It is a promise of Allah . Allah faileth not His promise , but most of mankind know not .

     

    30.7 . They know only some appearance of the life of the world , and are heedless of the Hereafter .

     

    30.8 . Have they not pondered upon themselves? Allah created not the heavens and the earth , and that which is between them , save with truth and for a destined end . But truly many of mankind are disbelievers in the meeting with their Lord .

     

    30.9 . Have they not travelled in the land and seen the nature of the consequence for those who were before them? They were stronger than these in power , and they dug the earth and built Upon it more than these have built . Messengers of their own came unto them with clear proofs ( of Allah ' s Sovereignty ) . Surely Allah wronged them not , but they did wrong themselves .

     

    30.10 . Then evil was the consequence to those who dealt in evil , because they denied the revelations of Allah and made a mock of them

     

    for infos :

    God : Hebrew : ill like israeel and mikaeel

    Arabic : ilah or Allah like in abdullah and also mikaeel

    israeel = abdullah = slave of God

     

    More info : aya from 1 to 60

  8. Nice works !

    But i guess they were more much muscled...

    I still feel some undifinished softness in their faces...

    Siceo was good for the 2down thirds ...the eye bubble directions is nice ...but the eyes region not vey satisfating....

     

    Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa = Your best work

     

    Nice stuff lopez...

  9. The Etruscans are often credited with the origin of gladiatorial combat but whilst they did indulge in bloody funeral rites (as did other cultures of the time) there's no evidence that it was a direct descendant. In fact, Roman sports owe more to the greeks and if you notice, the symbolism and religious significance of gladiators inlcudes celebration of greek warriors, a connection made stronger by the tradition of two greek warriors deciding a battle by single combat (a familiar theme in human warrior ethics).

     

    The Romans themselves might have inherited Etruscan attitudes, yet it must be acknowledged the origin of the Roman civilisation emerges from rival tribes raiding each other for assets, and this sort of thing is enshrined in the story of the Rape of the Sabines which survives as the modern marriage ritual of carrying a bride across the threshold.

     

    We have then a martial culture which had little to do with the bucolic bliss later Roman patrons like to portray and instead absorbed customs from dominant cultures around it. The development of the gladiator roughly begins in 264BC when the first public display was staged in a cattle market between two pairs. Combat between two slaves to honour the dead with blood sacrifice had been going on for some time, a Roman invention based on their interpretation of Etruscan methods allied with greek culture (which although responsible for much academic learning was also no less violent than the Romans).

     

    The need to impress others for political purposes gave rise to public displays which eventually developed into the entertainment industry we know as gladiatorial combat by the late republic, with professional and volunteer participants emerging toward the beginning of the Empire.

     

    The Augustan Franchise (Augustus cleverly instituted a competitive system of urban development in the provinces in which towns vied with each other for favours in return for efforts to emulate Rome itself - and increase tax revenue at the same time) spawned a rapid increase in the spread of gladiatorial combat beyond Italy, a trend reinforced by the policy of colonisation by Roman veterans as part of the franchise.

     

    Public demand for these free shows and the desire of Vespasian to impress his Roman subjects inspired him to have the Colosseum built, though he never lived to see it finished. Most performances had (until the mid-Principate at least) been held in temporary wooden arenas or any available public space. Caligula's death for instance took place in such a temporary arena erected in front of the palace. The trend toward permanent stone arenas was encouraged both by this need for impreessive architecture but also to offset the shoddy work often done at a budget by the builders of wooden structures, and the worst case was the collapse of one such arena at Fidenae in ad27 which killed and injured thousands.

     

    Thank you.

    That's a complement to my informations.

    But i understood that The Roman Empire was a scientific Empire based on knowledge and elegance in architectury, towns civilisation foods....etc but it was not barbaric, and the power of it's army was in technics, plans, advanced arms and than danger soldiers the berbers.

    The punic wars was realy a big issue in the History of the Empire that obliged the Empire to be more much powerful to destroy their enemies, wich it was not good for the empire so it was a big diviation. It looks like a smart college student that becames street fighter.

    Well as they says 'Berbers can only be fighted by a berber' so the Roman Army was obliged to import the Germanic tribs and celtic berbers to fight carthage after this carthage was all burned and became a province of Rome.

    A new hibrid barbaric people are born.

    By the way i'm from a place called HenShire. and my grand father home is built by roks and ancient ruines.

  10. So what i want to know is : was the punic wars and the Barbarians danger against rome a reason to re-enforce the military and encouraging the fights and the gladiators for changing the system of rome to the way of the fights against its enemies?

     

    As you can see actualy in france...as it was the last coloniser force of numedia...You can see the distroyers the incidences from time to time...all of them are Emigrants especially Berberians...

     

    As we note actually The Old barbarians still excist in europe Italians Africans Scotch Irish...and more comunly they like the Red...

    By the way i'm from a big est tribe called The RedTribe in barbarian 'The Zegarot' wich it means the Red Color ...The identification pronoun is Tha or Ta or The or A...as you can see in 'Thamugadu' 'Thevest' 'Tabarce' 'AMaziren'...

    I'm not sure if I have understood all your argumentation rightly, but please believe me; trying to use ancient nations to support modern national pride is essentially chauvinism and has never been a good idea.

     

    Modern Algeria is not ancient Numidia, France is not Gaul and the old Barbarians are not there any more; all populations have always merged together, and not exclusively the Berbers or the Barbarians; please remember the latter were not even an ethnicty, but simply non-Romans (any non-Romans).

     

    All the ancient nations (as a whole) were ancestors of all of us (as a whole too); History is no human cloning.

     

    Populations have constantly migrated for multiple reasons and they have often find some problems to live together; even so, I can't find any relevant analogy between the Germanic invasions of the Roman Empire in the IV & V centuries and the modern migrants to the European countries.

     

    I certainly don't think that moden migrants are trying to make Europe "fall" in any way, if that is what you imply.

     

    My guess is that like 99% or more of all human migrations, modern European immigrants will eventually merge in their respective new countries, if that has not already happened; experience shows us that migrants (any migrants) systematically merge in the lapse of one or two generations.

     

    OhhKeeyy!

    I saw that my bad english guided you to an unexpected way!

    I understand from your answer that you took a defensive way to answer!

    when i gave you the exemple it was not by the meaning that they wana make europe fall....but what i would say is that : according to me genetic factors and developped caracters of the human personality is hereted ...

    Well i give you another exemple to understand...my little brother or all our kids (lesser than 1year old) likes to use his head to keek some one...if you took him and you try to play with him than you start laughing hi becames angry than he gives you a head...even when he crawls, when some one disturb him he starts quiking his head and becomes very angry but he dosn't cry at all...another thing when a mother get out with their kids to go shooping...first act to do 'Evryone is deasapered' they start running as much as they can and they climbs evrything in their ways...

    So running and sports and fights still runings in blood...What do you think about this words:

    a sport called 'Le Parcour'

    a first football player called Zinedine zidane and his head in final world cup!...

    about morrokian athlet 'hichem gerroudje'...

    the hooligans!...

  11. Was the fall of carthage a big reason to change Rome political system by building the colosseums all over the Empire and importing the Gladiators all over it especially baberians ?

     

    i'm a barberian from Aures south mounts to Cirtha (actual Constantine-Algeria) .I'm in Vet-medical studies and even at the right time big dogs have big demands not to be domesticated but to use'm for fights...

     

  12. Was the fall of carthage a big reason to change Rome political system by building the colosseums all over the Empire and importing the Gladiators all over it especially baberians ?

     

    i'm a barberian from Aures south mounts to Cirtha (actual Constantine-Algeria) .I'm in Vet-medical studies and even at the right time big dogs have big demands not to be domesticated but to use'm for fights...

  13. Barberians are made only for fight they like the red by the same time they are very loyal to whom them love

    A berber can't expresse his feeling, can't say i love you but his way to do is to sacrify him self for whom he loves....and for this reason many Empires was built in the Barberians land...

     

     

    Axel = does't mean Above ?

    Massinissa = does't it come from Mass Massen

    Jugurtha = From Jugula Jugular ?

     

    by the way the spoken berber has too much similarities with celtic and latin than after the arrival of the arabs it developped again even by the income of the frensh at the begining of the 19c ...

     

    for exemple :

     

    skeliette = les escaliers = the upstares

     

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    another words ...

     

     

    My grand parents and old peoples who keep talking berbers , they call the school = Schula "or as it can be righten in french as =choula" wich is the same as Deutsch Schule....

     

    well i note that we call all the old ruines a comun appelation : " Henshire" or in frensh "Henchire" wich is prononced hensheer....

     

    Does't it mean Hen-Shire ?

     

     

    I live in a henShire in the Old Cirtha Militatia south of Cirta actualy Constantine in the rigion of the last berber queen Dihya ...

  14. Before all Berber is an arabic appelation for People who live in north africa as they'r known as Amazire

    Arabs are honored by their arabic (all arab civilisation is in their arabic) when they faced the Amazire they didn't understand their language so they called them berber as a humilation and as they found them hard to accept arabic [snipped the rest]

     

    Axel, please note that this topic is about barbarization of the Roman army -- not Berbers or Islam. Perhaps you misread? :)

     

    -- Nephele

     

    Well!! i'm asking ! why we'r here....i'm traying to discuss and correct my informations...

    About barbar

    JGolomb
    was right i think it's a latin originary as i know that arab language is most developped and based on latins....

    i'm sorry if i bothered you in talking about islam ! but take't just as culture! because according to me most people are mistaken about this point!

  15. During the 4th century AD the large scale replacements of indigenous units with barbarian units, commanded by their own tribal leaders and fighting in their native styles, and the influx of barbarian officers and men into regular Roman units, which adopted barbarian equipment and fighting techniques, combined to make the empire's army less efficient, and more prone to desertion and treachery. In the 5th century AD Barbarization was curbed in the eastern half of the empire, but it was increased in the west, the east went on to survive whilst the west didn't.

     

    Do you think that the barbarization of the Roman army played a major role in the fall of the western empire?

     

    Before all Berber is an arabic appelation for People who live in north africa as they'r known as Amazire

    Arabs are honored by their arabic (all arab civilisation is in their arabic) when they faced the Amazire they didn't understand their language so they called them berber as a humilation and as they found them hard to accept arabic

    Arabs are known already as History and civilization distroyers

    All arab civilization is in arabic so that the third and the last Sky religion from God and the last sacre book was chosen to be writen in arabic for the reason of its development

    The first enemies of the last Ibrahimian religion is Arabs

    The most known people about the incoming of a last prophet are Jewish

    and The first who help Islam were the christians from ithiopea and from Hidjez (syria and jurdani)

    Islam means in arabic to be on the peace El Salam=The Peace and one of God's names(but it become as dirt as them)

    Arabs thought that islam was only for them and because of them

    Islam and Quran contains all old sacred books and believes about all previous Abraham religion (Judaism and Christianism) and all prophets like Noe Moise Abraham Solomon Christ Meryam

    Jewish in Quran or Israelians (sons of israel ) are the preferated people of God and they are most known people

    Christians in quran are the most humble and a nice people.

     

     

     

     

    Hey i'm an Amazire from East Aures (Numidia Empire) we'r known as berbers and we'v got too much similarities with romans especialy Germans

    Pure Amaziren are great fighters they look like Elephants of cartagian fighters and like Haradrim in Lord of the rings

    the purest Amazire still exist people are the Touareg in big Sahara in Algeria

    Pure amazire Are slim peoples with high vision eyes similar to old egyptian very strong fighters and very lovely people they have only 2choices extreme adhision to whom we like and extreme heat for whom we dislike ...

     

    New Amaziren generations are merge of Romans (most probably Germans as Ariens)

    Ar in amazire means Lion in east Aures between Thamugad (timgad) and Thevest (tebessa) is situated babar (Lion's mouth)

     

    Powerful New amazire generation is a merge of Romans Cartagens Bizantic after been an Amazire (paralel to Jewish Persians arabs and Ithipians)

     

     

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    My questions are :

     

    Who are stongest Roman fighters?

    And What's the Romans big Tree and origin?

    Origin Celtic languages ?

     

    With some time precisions please

     

     

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    i'm sorry for my poory english!

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