Pertinax Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 This is most interesting: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20071012/tts...-bed299d_2.html look at the work that is going into this project! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 This is most interesting: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20071012/tts...-bed299d_2.html look at the work that is going into this project! Salve, P. It seems like Papal revisionism as a response to the notorious success of The Da Vinci Code and similar stuff. Most interesting indeed and potential material for a couple of Best-Sellers, but I would think mostly innocuous. It would be in some way analogous to Galileo's affair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 How will this affect the Masons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maladict Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 It seems like Papal revisionism as a response to the notorious success of The Da Vinci Code and similar stuff. I believe it has more to do with Benedict's personal interest in the matter than any of that Da Vinci crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 It seems like Papal revisionism ....[How is that? It would be in some way analogous to Galileo's affair. From the article, nowhere near it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pertinax Posted October 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 How will this affect the Masons? They will need to roll both trouser legs up, stand on a box and pin a frog to their lapels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Can they become Christians, yea, even Cardinals now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caldrail Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The Knights Templar was a religious military order like others in the medieval world. It all stems from Pope Urban II, who received a letter in 1097 from Emperor Alexius of Byzantium asking for some military help against the turks who had invaded section s of the eastern empire and occupied jerusalem. It is interesting that the turks did not persecute christians at this time, but having a christian site occupied by saracens of a heathen faith was too much. The pope held a meeting and declared it was less sinful to kill a non-christian. That sparked off the first crusade, and its astonishing just how powerful the christian hold over peoples hearts and minds was at that time. Sure, a lot of men went east for more earthly reasons (to grab land and cash) but entire villages in europe downed tools, packed a few belongings, and went off to do their duty in the holy lands. Now that soldiers were allowed to kill for christ, it was simply a matter of doing that as service to christ for those of a more spiritual nature, thus the military orders came into being. Apart from the religious duties required, these men were effectively operating as modern private military providers do today, offering security services. Inevitably they got rich, and that was the problem. The rumours of conspiracies and secret agendas through the masons are tripe more or less. It was all about money from the start, and it was money that finished them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 How will this affect the Masons? They will need to roll both trouser legs up, stand on a box and pin a frog to their lapels. Do they wear black socks and sugar loaf hats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursus Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 The bigger question to my mind is just what other "lost" documents from Medieval history (and possibly Antiquity) are conveniently concealed within the Vatican archive, just waiting for some Pope to "discover" them when the time is right. Maybe we need to send in UN inspectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 (edited) The bigger question to my mind is just what other "lost" documents from Medieval history (and possibly Antiquity) are conveniently concealed within the Vatican archive, just waiting for some Pope to "discover" them when the time is right. Maybe we need to send in UN inspectors. You may be a little too cynical and suspicious. I am sure that there are untold numbers of unknown and un-indexed tomes in Roman Catholic, Orthodox, Moslem, and private institutions. In many cases they don't know what they have. I see no reason why they would withhold a document from antiquity or medieval times. I am sure that they do withhold some, but this is their property, and thus, they have a right to do so. Edited October 14, 2007 by Gaius Octavius Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosmo Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 The bigger question to my mind is just what other "lost" documents from Medieval history (and possibly Antiquity) are conveniently concealed within the Vatican archive, just waiting for some Pope to "discover" them when the time is right. Maybe we need to send in UN inspectors. Many things changed in this world since the time of the Principate, but the church it's still here, a creature from before the Deluge. Time moves different for this institution compared with mortal humans and states. No need to rush things when you have 2 millenia behind and a secure future. 700 years to remake a trial... Still pointless for those burned at stake. Those "heirs" of the templar don't care about reality, so there will be no dramatic chage here. The UN inspectors might find WMD in the Vatican Library and we'll see a fight between the Swiss Guard with their funny costumes and the US Marines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 For those interested in the Vatican's secrets: http://www.vatican.va/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASCLEPIADES Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 For those interested in the Vatican's secrets: http://www.vatican.va/ Salve, GO. Those are anything but secrets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Octavius Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 For those interested in the Vatican's secrets: http://www.vatican.va/ Salve, GO. Those are anything but secrets. If a secret is a secret, how do you know that the secret exists??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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