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Classic NIN...damn that was good to watch!

"Hey god there's nothing left for me to hide / I lost my ignorance, security and pride / I'm all alone in a world you must despise / Hey god I believed your promises, your promises and lies."

 

Having always been godless, I've been spared that feeling of betrayal that a lot of my friends experienced. Terrible Lie is mint NIN, although the surrealism in Romanek and Reznor's music video The Perfect Drug is more my style.

 

-- Nephele

"Broken" was a great CD...but for my money, Trent was at his best with "Downward Spiral." I saw that concert series twice--once at the very beginning (at the Filmore in SF) and again at the very end (SJ State), and it was a damn fine series of concerts. Some of the best that I have ever seen.

My Christian upbringing was nominal at best, so I left it with a minimum of rancor. I can understand why people with a more serious upbringing could feel betrayed.

My Christian upbringing was nominal at best, so I left it with a minimum of rancor. I can understand why people with a more serious upbringing could feel betrayed.

For me, the rage and initial sense of betrayal was overshadowed by bitterness and a struggle against fear and guilt that lasted for years. I've realized that Christianity can be a very positive thing for some people, but not for everyone. Faith in something... logic, your own priciples, a philosophy, a religion... gives you a sense of confidence and direction. The loss of it shatters that confidence and direction. The line 'I lost my ignorance, security and pride' is the one that really gets me. To me, the song isn't really anti-god so much as its an expression of that terrifying point at which you've lost your basis for reality.

I've realized that Christianity can be a very positive thing for some people, but not for everyone.

 

Finally someone agrees with me. It has done nothing for me... only ruins things for me.

 

I find out she likes me too. I ask her out. She "can't" because I'm going to hell.

Now that's a slap in the face.

I find out she likes me too. I ask her out. She "can't" because I'm going to hell.

Now that's a slap in the face.

That's because you were born guilty (and because Sheol is no longer open for business). Shame on you, you sinner, for tempting that righteous girl. Repent.

The line 'I lost my ignorance, security and pride' is the one that really gets me. To me, the song isn't really anti-god so much as its an expression of that terrifying point at which you've lost your basis for reality.

 

I know. That's why I quoted that particular line in my first posting in this thread. The feeling of betrayal may be overshadowed by bitterness and a struggle against fear and guilt (as you wrote), but perhaps you might never have had that bitterness, fear, and guilt if you hadn't initially felt betrayed in some way. I can't speak from personal experience, but I think I've maybe vicariously experienced this through my friends. And, because I love my friends, the pain doesn't hurt any less. Perhaps it hurts just as much, because I do have a hard love for my friends.

 

-- Nephele

To me, the song isn't really anti-god so much as its an expression of that terrifying point at which you've lost your basis for reality.

 

 

This is why I've become anti-philosophical to some extent in the last few years. The more developed the worldview, the harder is falls when it is finally shattered. When I was in my early twenties I studied a lot of religions and philosophies, and none of them seemed a a good map to "reality." I prefer to keep to a very few general principles and go through life with a practical eye on a case by case basis. Make the Map as you go along, I suppose.

This is why I've become anti-philosophical to some extent in the last few years. The more developed the worldview, the harder is falls when it is finally shattered. When I was in my early twenties I studied a lot of religions and philosophies, and none of them seemed a a good map to "reality." I prefer to keep to a very few general principles and go through life with a practical eye on a case by case basis. Make the Map as you go along, I suppose.

I can certainly appreciate that.

 

Some people, when confronted with all the contradictions, get a little glimpse of 'shattering' and they recoil and intensify their faith. Before logic can take its toll, they cling to the reassurance of having something to believe in, rather than face the alternative.

 

'Don't tear it away from me, I need something to hold on to.'

I find out she likes me too. I ask her out. She "can't" because I'm going to hell.

Now that's a slap in the face.

BTW, do you know what a cougar is? Do you have any dog-walk parks nearby?

That's why I quoted that particular line in my first posting in this thread.

Yeah, I was a little suprised when you posted that specific part.

BTW, do you know what a cougar is? Do you have any dog-walk parks nearby?

 

*shudders*

 

Even some heathens have principles.

What principle are you referring to? ^_^

In my childhood to be openly a christian was not a good ideea so I grew up without giving much thought to religion.

After the Revolution, when I was a teen, I became much more interested in christianity and, as I always do, I've read some books about it, but did not became a true believer. This christian phase ended a couple of years later when I had read Nietzche, "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", a book that brought me a lot of joy and freed me from religious self interogation.

And now I'm perfectly at ease with the dreaded "nothing".

I find out she likes me too. I ask her out. She "can't" because I'm going to hell.

Now that's a slap in the face.