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  1. I think that he would have been apalled by the state of the Late Republic, let alone the Principate. While those offices existed under the Principate, it was in an immasculated form. Even during the Late Republic the system began to fall apart.

  2. I heard of many theories of how the Roman Republic was the same as the Greek democracy. I also heard that the Roman Empire was similar to the Eastern ways of ruling, since one man ruled over the entire empire and had all the power.

     

    Any validity, or just a bad comparison?

     

    Its a bad comparison. Roman democracy wasn't entirely based on the greek model. It was after all a plutocracy - government by the wealthy. Rule by one man isn't limited to eastern culture. Thats normal human behaviour which the weakened senate was unable or unwilling to curb. The empire was Rome living on borrowed time in one sense.

     

    Polybius has an interesting take on this subject. He proposed that the Roman Republican system was the best because it incorporated all three elements (Monarchy, Aristocracy, and Democracy) and had checks and balances to ensure that neither branch was too strong. The Monarchy was the Consuls, the Senate was the Aristocracy, and the Concilium Plebis/Tribunes represented the will of the people.

     

    As far as the origional question, I think it is a matter of personal interest. Neither one was "better" than the other entirely. All in all, I enjoy the Late Republic the most, from Marius to the Early Principate. After Actium I loose some interest.

  3. Furthermore, the Greek Orthodox Church's position could be construed as one of self preservation. The last time pagans were the dominant religion in Greece, Christians ended up getting fed to lions and other such unpleasantries.

     

    As far as modern paganism goes, one only has to look as far as Sweeden to see the Church burnings and you can get a glimpse of what modern pagan rule may bring. This sort of thing has many Eastern Christians worried.

  4. If there are any religion experts present, was Hades really considered to be that dark of a god? I had always thought that the man down under being evil was more of a later addition.

     

    It seems natural that Pullo would be troubled by Vorenus' sacrilage, as my Proffessor explained, when the gods stike people down they don't care about collateral damage. It would seem that Olympus lacks a hyperactive media :clapping: . Most people tried to avoid those guilty of hubris and sacrilage for reasons of self-preservation.

     

    As far as Antony saying that no man was beyond redemtion goes, I think he was using it as a sale pitch to keep Vorenus, a potential ally, in the game. He had already said that Vorenus should have done his duty "and opened his stomache", so he shows the belief that suicide was the proper end for thos who have been shamed. When he noticed that Vorenus still took his oath of loyalty seriously, Marcus knew that he needed Vorenus to snap out of it so he offered him the one thing that he truely wanted: redemption.

     

    My two denarii

  5. Ursus --

    The Greek Orthodox Church has a frightening amount of restrictive influence over there.

     

    Would you rather the Turks? If these modern pagans tried the same thing over in Ionia today they would be quite deceased.

     

     

     

     

    Edit -- I can never get the quote thing to work properly.

  6. Primus Pilus --

    What was the relevance of the guy being beaten in the street as Antony left Atia's house? Was this simply to show Antony's indifference or was he supposed to be someone of semi-importance. I was terrified that he would somehow turn out to be Agrippa, but fortunately that was not the case.

     

    Notice how the slave showed more interest in the kid after he made his offer...

     

     

     

    Primus Pilus --

    Was Cleopatra the same actress from season 1? She seemed different somehow... perhaps it was simply the hair? Strange that she seemed not to know who Antonius was... an obviously prominent Caesarian while Cleopatra was living outside Rome before Caesar's death... but immediately recognized Pullo, a cast-off she used for personal pleasure for a few fleeting moments. Perhaps this was the fear that Caesarion is actually Pullo's son.

     

    I'm pretty sure that the Cleopatras are the same. The nose is quite distinctive. I think that they are going for the Caesarion = Pullo's son thing. Remember at the dinner party Atia says, "Looks nothing like him" refering to Caesarion not looking like Caesar.

     

     

    M. Porcius Cato --

    Several questions answered this episode: (1) Marcus Agrippa will be in the series, (2) Vorenus' children were not (permanently) dumped in the Tiber, and (3) Cicero just can't catch a break with the writers.

     

    1. Thank God

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    3. I was kind of hoping for a stronger, and preferably older Cicero. He is such a wiesel in this one.

  7. I just wished that they had spent more time on Erastes, if anyone ever deserved a drawn out death...

     

    They couldn't, because Vorenus' children are not dead. I'm betting they're going to turn up in a later episode in a fairly dramatic fashion. Erastes had to die quickly as a plot device, because torture would have convinced Vorenus that Erastes initial answer, that he didn't know their whereabouts, was true, and the entire series would then have become Vorenus' search for his children, or would otherwise spoil the incident which will involve their dramatic return.

     

    As for Erastes' motivation, repeated denials would have led to his torture, so he goaded Vorenus into giving him a quick death.

     

    Interesting.

     

    I will let my brother know your opinion. He told me to ask "those Roman people on the internet" about this episode. He is a diesel mechanic with no love for history, but he loves the show Rome.

  8. Pompey beat Caesar at Dyrrachium, but ultimately lost the war in Greece and his head in Egypt. Every General can be afforded a lost battle if he wins the War. Pompey didn't win the war against Spartacus, he killed a disorganised bunch of slaves. Crassus deserves the glory for defeating Spartacus. If he didn't get the credit then, he deserves to now that we have 20-20 historical hindsight.

     

    Furthermore, I attribute Pompey's loss at Pharsalus to the fact that he had the "old men" with him. If he had waited he might have won.

  9. A bar is NOT a public place unless it is owned by a government entity or by a collective community group. A private owner is a private owner. If you walk into my home it does not become a public place simply because of your presence. The same is true of any privately held establishment. An owner of any privately held business should maintain the right to manage it as he sees fit, provided he follows the law, avoids discriminatory practices, etc. Clearly they are subject to any number of safety/building codes, licensing, etc., but they should still maintain the right to the operation of their business. Any non smoker can enter that establishment any time they please (within business hours), but it is their choice whether or not they stay due to the selection of drinks, the clientell, the food, the atmosphere or what have you. Any smoker may also freely enter or leave under the same circumstances, but it is up to the bar owner to determine the best method for his business to prosper.

     

    You damn well are telling people where they can or cannot exercise their rights. This is not about smoking but rather it is much more about free enterprise and the rights of property owners. Smoking is a nasty habit that many hate, and therefore the rights of the property owner get clouded under the veil of doing what may be good for public health, but this is simply a step in a wrong direction for a free society.

     

    Thank You Primus.

     

    Come on people, in a nation-state that values property rights, this should be common knollege. Unfortunately, too many people are willing to sell their essential freedoms for the illusion of security. I stand by Benjamin Franklin in saying those people deserve neither. You cannot be secure, you cannot be safe, YOU WILL DIE. Get over it and try to have a life and let others have theirs without harassment.

  10. I do not know of the correctness of this, but I once saw a drawing of a clibanrius with a conical helmet (combined with the chain mail it gave him the appearance of an iron starfish actually). I don't remember what book it was in unfortunately, something from the school library and I no longer have access to it.

     

     

    Based on you description (iron starfish) I think I know what picture you are talking about. Give me a while and I will try finding it. I think that it was a picture of a Parthian from Dura Eurotas.

  11. Moderate populare. I am fully for the Popularis cause but anything done to excess is problematic at best. I have a conservative streak but have no use for the "old blood", especially when all they do is squabble amongst themselves.

     

    And how would you have had the senate conduct its business if it were not to debate matters? Were the right policies simply to emerge from the head of Jove, or is it possible that all that "squabbling" was actually productive and in the best interests of the republic?

     

    Seeing that Athena sprouted form Joves head, maybe that would have been a good policy for the senate, figureatively speaking. Maybe if they had sprouted more wisdom and less wit they might have gotten someting done.

     

    The best example I can think of is the B.S. where the Senate gave Scipio command of Sicilia knowing that he intended to invade Africa from there, but did not give him the right to levy troops. I don't know how they expected him to properly execute the war without men, and luckily for the republic he was able to find volunteers and the Cannae legions, without which all he would have had was Massinissa's Numidians (keep in mind that at this point Massinissa had no kingdom). It's that type of crap that caused the frustration of so many of Rome's greatest men, who were trying to help but were stifled by the "old men".

     

     

    Aw, come on, Julius - it kept the Republic occupied for 500 years!

     

    Much like celebrities today.

  12. As far as I know, the whole basis of the argument for the Goths comming from Scandanavia is the similarity of the name "Goth", to that of the Gotar, the southernmost of the two in Sweeden at the time (the other one being the Svear). For the most part, the Goth = Gotar thing is largely ignored by modern historians, there being little further evidence beyond the name simularities.

     

    The Jutes were rather well connected witht he Romans, fighting as mercenaries in Brittain for the Romans, and colonizing it after they left (the "invasion" of England by the Germanic people was similar to the colonization/invasion of America. The term used is dependant upon which side you were on).

     

    There have been numerous Roman artifacts unearthed in modern Denmark, found in graves, often coins. For more about Scandanavian contact with Rome read "The Vikings" by Else Rosedahl.

  13. White seems like a reasonable colour choice because the urine needed to bleach it is readily available.

     

    Red or purple would seem unlikely because they were rather expensive, and anyone employed by the state should know, the state will always cut costs whenever possible. The Spartans were known to wear crimson, and according to the Life of Lycugus by Plutarch, the expense seems to have been part of the reason behind the Spartans wearing crimson. Since the Legion was paid for by the Roman government after a certain point, they probably weren't to lavishly dressed, except for possibly officers.

     

    I had also heard that black wasn't a common colour in ancient times, as that it faded far too quickly and rapidly turned to gray. Gray would probobly be a common colour beause alot of wool is naturally grayish, and anything dyed black would quickly become gray. On the side, I heard that many of the Macedonian royal family members favoured black because of its expense (the expense comming not form the price of the dye but because of the need for new clothing when the old clothes went gray). For all this black stuff, I don't know where the sources for this are, I heard it from my Professor, who is an Alexander specialist.

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