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  1. Salve! Some clues: this baby is located at 138 meters above the sea level and it was built with granite blocks presumably by legionaries even if it is in a province where no legion was deployed during most of the principate It was probably finished by the time of Domitian or Traian. Today, it still gets vehicle traffic, and it is located near an international border.

  2. Sorry, this mess is all my fault. I was just unable to upload the picture (by the way, I'm still not able to do it). I edited those blank posts the best I could. If someone can delete them or, even better, upload the picture of the bridge, I would be very grateful. One more time, an apology for all this trouble.

     

    nvm.

    let me help you a bit with this.

     

    bridgeor7.jpg

     

    continue the thread.

    Thank you, M. IOU one.

    Another clue: this bridge has a length of 116 meters.

  3. Most of possesions in Asia, from Bythnia to Judeea, came as anexations of client states.

     

    If we take as an example the conquest of Greece the pattern becames obvious. First romans "free" Greece thru war from macedonian rule. The new status it's difficult to keep and to provide the needed security for roman interests. Divided Macedonia still rebels, several greek cities use their freedom against romans tempting strong foes to challange the status quo. The result was roman direct rule in Greece and Macedonia.

    Was this a desired policy when Rome made her first intervention?

    I don't think so. Direct rule in Greece was a result of the inability of maintaing a peaceful status quo.

    The same it's true about Anatolia. Roman defeated the seleucids and brought the western part of their empire under the control of several client states like Pergamum and Rhodos with the intention of keeping out both seleucids and macedonians. Even after the anexation of Pergamum and the long wars against Pontus some clientelar states were kept in the area.

    Where roman rule was not challenged clientelar states had a long life. Numidians are a perfect example being under roman protection between 206-25 BC.

    I consider that the jugurthine war and the fate of Juba II are perfect examples of the danger inherent to roman protection and of the long life of clientelar states EVEN when they challenged the roman rule.

  4. Not all roman conquests were made by the power of the gladius. The roman republic expanded often peacefully.

    The clearest example it's the inheritance given to Rome of the kingdom of Pergamum that became Roman Asia, a large and rich province. Cyrene was given by it's ruler to Rome.Cyprus was annexed by a single envoy of Cato. etc

    Other examples are city-states that were allied of Rome, but were never formally anexed: Massalia, Rhodos, Callatis etc. Others kept a theoretical independence: Athens, Sparta etc

    Rome acquired client kingdoms and after a while this were annexed by decree and not by warfare.

     

    I see roman expansion as a mighty force that brakes in pieces his large foes, gets a form of mild and beneficial protectorate over the pieces and then gently swallows them sometimes leaving in place legal fictions as alliances and independence. This proces was not a shock but a gently evolution that sometimes lasted for many years, too long for individuals to feel the change.

     

    Of course, the roman military power left few choices beetween cheering submission as friend or brutal destruction, but I don't know many cases in world history of this kind of expansion. Despite brutality mongols were resisted everywhere. I think it has more to do with the positive aspects of roman rule including a large degree of local autonomy.

    Plainly stated, I don't believe there is such thing like a free lunch or peaceful roman expansion. I think that if we inquire enough in all of the aforementioned cases, we will find evidence of active persuasion, meaning that those annexations were made ultimately by the power of the gladius.

  5. A 2 episode BBC inquiery about gipsy witches, in english. The post by Ursus about polytheism made me post this. A profitable mix of christianity and pagan practices.

     

    One character that apears briefly in the second part, Ralu Filip, the head of the TV regulatory institution, died this summer. Maybe the curses...

     

    The site belongs to Rodica Gheorghe the main witch in the documantary and it has a forum and blogs. She has PR people and other helpers.

    Her latin motto "nihil sine deo" (nothing without God) is the motto of the Romanian royal house ( the Hohenzollern Sigmaringen dinasty) and was the motto of the kingdom of Romania.

     

    http://www.vrajitoarea-rodica.ro/

    Quackery and fraud are indeed longstanding traditions all over the world, and "Rodica" is one of the crudest examples I have ever seen. It has nothing to do with any religion or the gipsy traditions, only with greediness and credulity.

  6. "Clepsydra" has an almost poetic etymology: "water stealer", probably speculating about the impossibility of retrieving the gone time.

    The link uploaded by Klingan states the Egyptian origin of the clepsydra, invented by one Ammenemmes during the reign of pharaoh Amenophis I of the XVIII dynasty circa XVI century BC, presumably the only inventor recorded by name from that Civilization. The clepsydra on the picture uploaded by MPC is a design of Ctesibius, an inventor from Alexandria commonly described as Greek but, as you can see, with an unimpeacheable Egyptian name. All of this makes me wonder how many of the cultural manifestations that we commonly attribute to Greece or Rome might actually come from their predecessors.

  7. Can legati help to delete those blank posts please?

    Sorry, this mess is all my fault. I was just unable to upload the picture (by the way, I'm still not able to do it). I edited those blank posts the best I could. If someone can delete them or, even better, upload the picture of the bridge, I would be very grateful. One more time, an apology for all this trouble.

  8. Salve, MPC. Why do you think Cato was never a Tribune of the Plebs? I would like to know your opinion.

     

    Let me say again that this is a really good question--Why would the fellow who erected an official residence for the tribunes not be a former tribune himself? Strangely, no one has addressed this question before (at least not that I can find).

     

    Best I can tell, after his quaestorship, Cato had one of two offices for which he could run: the tribuneship and the plebeian aedileship. I know of no evidence suggesting that either route was a shorter path to a praetorship, but at least in Cato's case, his aedileship was extraordinarily successful, so much so that he was permitted to run for a praetorship immediately (i.e., without the customary delay between offices). This dispensation appears to rest on the two main achievements of his aedileship: the restoration of the Plebeian Games (again, supporting the idea that he was proud of his plebeian status) and his vigorous re-organization of what passed for a police force in Rome. One is tempted to infer that Cato chose the plebeian aedileship in order to restore the Plebeian Games, but of course that's impossible to know.

     

    I'll keep an eye out for a better answer, but that's the best I've got for now. (BTW, in researching the answer to this question, I was surprised by how sympathetic Mommsen was to this Cato.)

    Thank you, MPC. This is something more to think about.

  9. The Gasden Purchase from Mexico by the Pierce administration in 1854 was certainly a "peaceful expansion" of the United States, but it was clearly made under the threat of military intervention. Could it be that the peaceful expansion over Pergamum, Bythinia, Cyrenaica, Cyprus and others was analogous?

  10. Thank you ASC for both of those , especially the Hippocratic fragment.

    Galen insisted that any Doctor worth his salt should be able to dexterously deal with fistulae as part of his normal work, obviously at this time the rate of infection of such growths would exceed modern day levels because of the lack of antibiotics .What strikes me every time I look at the "workday" writings is the emphasis on eye problems and fistulae of various types.

    My pleasure.

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