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  1. The point, as Ursus mentioned, was to take part is this extreem form of Epicureanism. Vommiting, so you could eat yet more delicious tidbits. In the same way that one may vommit today in an attempt to avoid a hangover tommorrow.

    I'm laboring things a bit here, but I dare say the Romans would have used a bucket rather than the floor, if they didn't have a pit for the exact purpose.

  2. I used to think as you do DanM, that we of the modern age had grown beyond our genetic dispositions and had somehow become more enlightened than those in times passed. But I no longer hold that view, the older I get the more I realise that people lie, cheat, steal, rape and kill for wealth, religeon and politics just as much as they always have.

     

    All we can do until then is survive and live day by day.

     

    I like this line Skarr. Actually the whole paragraph was well put.

  3. Goodfellas - Loved Ray Liotta

    Unforgiven - As someone already mentioned a great western

    Lord of the Rings Trilogy

    The 5th Element - Don't really know why, it just makes me forget about the day to day.

    The Mission - Film about franciscan monks in South America taking sides with the native people against the Spanish - made me cry and De Niro was good.

    Gladiator - Could have been so much better, but is still kick ass.

    Cube - Low budget SciFi with a really cool idea.

    The Breakfast Club - Loved it when a teen, a nostalgic fave

    Bladerunner

    Boyz in the Hood - Just really enjoyed it, something so far removed from my own experience, was an eye opener at the time.

     

    I was tempted to put King Arthur in just to annoy Longbow, but couldn't bring myself to do it....it really is a crap film.

     

    Zeke - Curious to know why you hated Sin City so much ???

  4. Well put DanM. I must agree, in that the British Empires disdain for native populations did always began with the desire for material gain, and their racism simply allowed them to do away with those they deemed sub-human and therefor obtain that wealth and property. So yes, the racism was not a prime motivator as in the case of Nazi Germany.

     

    So where were we ? Oh yes, the Romans.....not at all like the Nazis, and may well have taken what they wanted without mass murder if possible.....although those strong gallic slaves do fetch a pretty penny... :D

    Don't get me wrong. I love my country. I just won't let that love blind me to our past misdeeds.

     

    Know how you feel there, I'm an Australian.

  5. I was reading an old (1970) paperback book about the Romans the other day, and there was mention of an expedition leaving Rome during Marcus Aurelius' reign for China. The book mentions that it was successfull, and that there are Chinese records from the time that verify the fact. It did not list these references though or say exactly what they were. Has anyone heard this before ? Does anyone know of references to Rome or Romans in historical Chinese documents ?

  6. scarcely different from any other nation trying to instil fear and obedience; but that didn't make them a race intent on genocide or ethnic cleansing,

     

    There is no debate, absolutely no doubt that the British Empire practiced a form of ethnic cleansing and was every bit as despotic and cruel as Nazi Germany. Most colonial powers did. The British forbade Aboriginal people in Australia from speaking their own language or performing their own cultural practices. They systematicly wiped out all native australians from Tasmania, which well qualifys as genocide, and almost wiped them out on the mainland. When they couldn't do it directly, they took black children from their parents and placed them with white, christian families, often telling them their parents were dead. Newly arrived squatters and land owners were encouraged to shoot aboriginal people, and there are many instances where they lured whole tribes with promises of food, only to lace the food with poison to kill them off, kind of reminds me of the old Nazi line - "come into this room, we're going to let you shower"......

     

    The Roman empire on the other hand, using Caesars conquest of Gaul as an example, while brutal, was not aimed at wiping the gauls as a race from the face of the earth. It was aimed at securing a massive client base and financial wealth for Caesar and Rome. There are similarities certainly, but it was not based on race.

  7. Complete take over of the government by Catiline due to the absence of Caesarian support for Cicero.

     

    I doubt there was actually much of a threat involved in the Cataline conspiracy, it was a beat up by sycophant Cicero wanting to be the "Saviour of his country" . He also got what he wanted without Caesar, Caesar in fact came very close to being implicated as a partner in the conspiracy, and was one of the only voices in the senate to suggest exile rather than death without trial as their punishment.

     

    I agree with Ursus that another Warlord would have eventually marched on Rome, Sulla set the precedent, and those Romans always had to go one better than the ancestors, the same can be said for the conquest of Gaul too. I think Pompey possibly as he would have turned out a different player with no Caesar to compete with him, but who knows, not many would have been able to do it as fast as Caesar - it was a real blitzkrieg.

     

    I would be really curious to see what Octavian made of himself anyway...without Caesar. He was always ambitious, he may not have reached the heights he did, but almost certainly would have gotten somewhere.

  8. It looked like Caesar was up against another one of those Hellenistic combined-arms forces.

     

    I too thought this at one stage, but after some recent reading discovered that in fact, while there was certainly an eastern contingent, Ponpey had :-

     

    His 1st Legion - Veteran and extreemly loyal to him personaly

    Caesars 15th Legion - Veterans from Gaul turned over to Pompey

    3 Recently recruited Italian legions - under eagles for 1 year only

    2 Italian legions of 5 years experience (veteran survivors of Carrhae interestingly)

    7 Cohorts of the 4th and 6th Veteran Spanish legions - working as one legion

    The Gemina legion raised by Cicero in Italy in 51BC

    The 24th and 28th, Originaly Caesars, but captured by Pompey at sea, and subsequently defected to him.

     

    But I digress severely , my apologies, we were talking about Mithridates.

  9. No Barca, can't say that I do. But that doesn't mean they don't exsist, I'll just have to do some research is all.

     

    Off hand - were the Parthians still a largely mounted force when beaten by Trajen, and susquently Varus, Marcus' co emperor ? I do not know a lot about those particular campaigns, but logic would seem to suggest that if Parthian tactics were so kick ass against Roman Legions once, they'd stick with it, unless of course they only won in the first place because of Crassus pathetic leadership decisions.

  10. There were so many other factors that contributed to Crassus' defeat by the parthians though. His inferiority in cavalry certainly, but more so his downright shocking deciscion making.

     

    There are plenty of examples where a roman army that was infantry heavy defeated an army relying on it's cavalry superiority - they had tactics for just such a situation - just ask Pompieus Magnus ;)

  11. And isn't $650 AUD like $5 US dollars?

     

     

    Yeah...good one Virg.

     

    May have been the case once but fortunately the US dollar, like so much else to do with the country, is pretty lame these days :) - an Aussie dollar is about 76 of your cents.

     

    before I too duck and run - don't know who the translator is - will find out.

  12. mmm....I can't admire the guy, Brutus that is. From what I have read he was quite a tax farmer of the vicious kind....and he betrayed and killed Caesar, and he had no notion of what do do after that which smacks of a lack of a severe underestimation of the Roman mindset at the time. Silly to hate historical figures though, can't change anything they did, and can't really "know" whether those that we look up to were all we think they were.

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