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I adore Cicero's eloquence but the whole "boni" thing was rather impractical. Besides he later turned to the "three headed monster" unwillingly spurrred by necessity of survival perhaps but it sure marrs him in my opinion. I'd say that Augustus deserves it atlast for temporarily closing the doors of the temple of Janus. If Cincinnartus and Numa Pompilius realy existed I'd vote for them.

Because the supernatural touch never fails to excite?. Sighting A monster under water makes interesting? headlines?

Why in the wide world do you want to wait till your house is flooded, infrastructure collapses and all the rest of it? Natural disasters can't be helped but there being triggered off by irresponsible human action can. The whole point in going green is prevention.

Wherein does the hilarity lie brother? If I were a sole adherent of the Green gospel climate change woudn't spare me but I'm not. If a greater number of people go green there's no reason why climate change can't be slowed down and stabilized to a certain extent. Christianity was not a global issue or a global policy. Anyway Religion was always a control on the public just take a look at Birtish or Indian history. Combatting climate change is an entirely different issue. I shall definitely keep the faith brother. Even though I may not succeed in changing the world I could atleast be free of the guilt that I left the world a worse place.

That passage from Virgil's one of my favourites I had half a mind to quote it but was beaten to it. I personally find all the verse translations a big bore but W.F Jackson Knight's prose translation is quite readable. Dryden does ruin the effect but the worst I read was one published by wordsworth classics - archaic english + Roman ideology = confusion

Livius appears to ignore the fact that "one individual", conquered a greater part of the known world "in a successful career of little more than ten years." And that the record of the same "one individual" inspired J. Ceasar. Oh yes I suppose all the armies lost in the germanic wars before Marius brought no dissatisfation Rome. Or perhaps their names were struck off from the lists.

It is not they who need to - I am quite simply aghast that anyone should think it is the lifestyles of people in the Third World which is the root cause of rainforest and environmental damage!! An average westerner consumes a thousand times more energy and resources than a rural inhabitant of a third world country. . I agree with NN the worst that a rural inhabitant in a third world country can do is to clear a bit of forest in order to cultivate(I'm not talking hypothetically . I live in a third world country.) It doesn't even stand comparison with the average westerner. As for the city dweller - well most don't have the money to waste anything. Electricity comes at a price. Oil comes at a greater price. Over here opting for public transport is not a greener option but an economical necessity. Which is why I was induced to ask what proof was there that lifestyles in the 3rd world countries aren't changing . But even third world countries can become greener. Which is most probably why the local media is filled with promotions of greener lifestyles and energy saving methods. And it's working. As for deforestation ; well, the last time I checked several European N.G.O's were paying for plantation and re-forestation.

Have you any proof that "The third world nations who are destroying their forests aren't going to change their lifestyle " ?

As there is an issue in you'r view too do you have any solutions in mind? I don't see how it can be done without what you term "conformity and over control" Or do you simply adopt an attitude of laisser-faire? Over population is one reason why each person's contribution towards lessening green house gases is important. You may not see it as much but it's not nothing

www.themystica.com www.probertencyclopaedia.com www.pantheon.org As Lady N says you should be able to find something at a library. Because Hinduism relies alot on mythology the 'Ramayana" story for example, to teach their doctrine. As there are regional variations Sticking to the generaly accepted Indian versions is advisable if all want is an introduction to it.

Thanks for the list Asclepiades. What was Cicero thinking? but I have a few points needing clarification question. Sura I believe confessed. If there was no conspiracy how did this happen? And the Allobroges got conspiratory documants signed by some of the conspirators. So were they forgeries?

Thanks Alot for the earlier thread it realy did save alot of repetition. My personal view on the matter when i statd this thread was that: there was a problem but - Cicero blew it out of propotion and even if Catitiline had managed to survive and keep his coup d' etat floating for a little while Pompey would have arrived and flattened him. THE END. After reading all the posts i'm not sure what to believe about the 1st attempt, but as for the rest -the attempt at senatorial massacre might be more likely a fabrication of Cicero. He himself most probably sent the anonymous leters to Crassus because the senate didn't pay much attention to the issue. After all Cicero was the Ancient world's greatest lawyer. Therefore his eloquence if nothing else would have succeeded in painting Catiline's conspiracy as a great threat. Which in turn would add another feather on to Cicero's hat and not a bad addition at that because he was incapable of attaining military glory and this was the closest he could get + he hated Catitline so why not?

Thanks Alot for the earlier thread it realy did save alot of repetition. My personal view on the matter when i statd this thread was that: there was a problem but - Cicero blew it out of propotion and even if Catitiline had managed to survive and keep his coup d' etat floating for a little while Pompey would have arrived and flattened him. THE END. After reading all the posts i'm not sure what to believe about the 1st attempt, but as for the rest -the attempt at senatorial massacre might be more likely a fabrication of Cicero. He himself most probably sent the anonymous leters to Crassus because the senate didn't pay much attention to the issue. After all Cicero was the Ancient world's greatest lawyer. Therefore his eloquence if nothing else would have succee

Could Catiline realy have pulled it off even if Cicero was not having a eagle eye on him? Cicero finally managed to convince the state that the situation was serious enough to issue an S.C.U but in reality how great a threat was it?