Zeke

Ok Primulius I will take up your challenge on the short story because I want the map without having to pay that ridiclious price you have for it and of coarse the coin and book are important too! lol Sorry about spelling, hopfully you have my short story in a couple days. Zeke

ALSO since I did this post I have reformed my Roman Pagan ideas. I have more logical philoshphy now though I still worship the same gods. Sometime when I have time I will explain it. Zeke

Venus is my Patron Goddess and my favorite. Though I think the Celtic God Belnus and the Celtic Goddess of horses Epona.......are also wonderful, both adopted by the Romans. Zeke

The seige of Alesia......the hundreds of thousands of Celtic Gauls charging acorss the fields at the Roman fortress surrounding Alesia....now that would be awsome!] Zeke

lol intresting...that took me alot to write Zeke

HERE IS SOME HANDY INFO ON THE LITTLE KNOWN HISTORY OF THE ROMAN PROVINCE OF DACIA. Dacia, in ancient geography the land of the Daci or Getae, was a large district of Central Europe, bounded on the north by the Carpathians, on the south by the Danube, on the west by the Tisa (Tisza river, in Hungary), on the east by the Tyras (Dniester or Nistru, now in eastern Moldova). It thus corresponds in the main to modern Romania and Moldova. The capital of Dacia was Sarmisegetusa. The inhabitants of this district are considered as belonging to the Thracian stock. The Dacians were known as Getae (pl. Geton) in Greek writings, and as Dacus (pl. Daci) and Getae in Roman documents; also as Dagae and Gaete

What do you know of Celtic/Roman culture off the top of your head? Being that my name is Zeke the Celt I am more inclined to Celtic/Roman Culture then most people and would like to know a little bit more about it. What are some thoughts about it, Zeke

Well first I would have an ontray of some figs, boils eggs and some really hot paprika sauce. After that I would have peacock with alot of spices on top, fallowed by some wine and finnally some grapes for desert....mmmm good. Zeke

They didn't have the authority to execute someone, they were under Roman rule. As such they could not put Jesus to death. They even admit that why they came ot him in the first place in gospels. (John 18:28-32) I have to contend that statment, I believe that while under Roman rule most peoples were allowed to use their laws to exacute people, if the Romans were in charge of exacuting EVERYONE then nothing would have ever gotten done, only special cases were brought before the Romans like that of Jesus. Most of the "Zeolots" probably had there own laws and exacuted people in the montains while the Romans wern't watching. Jesus was a special case and I also can quote from the bible..... John 19:3 When the chief priests therefore and officers saw him, they cried out, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Take ye him, and crucify him: for I find no fault in him. The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God. *By their law, not Roman law, the Romans thought he was inosent it was these Jewish fantics that ordered his murder and spurred the people on. Jesus's faith did not teach to rebel against Rome's rule either so he was off no threat at all. Crucifixion was the standard punishment for this crime. Also I don't know if that is a true fact, it takes alot of work to crucfie someone I would think the Romans would have just stabbed him the dark. They had to make a show though because thats what the main religious priests spurred them on. Roman power was most likely limiited to the cities alone they couldn't control all of the country side and the Jewish priests most likely had more power then we give them credit for. Pontious Pilate was a good man and a noble governor he tryed his best to be fair, especially with that "backwater" province was especially difficut to govern hence he had to be harsh at times though I wills tand to this day that the Romans were not guilty of any crime and I dobut the Roman EMpire declared Jesus a rebel. It was all the Zeolots idea.

I would adress the Senate on stronger religious bodies of certain dieties and keep the temples well maintained. Zeke

What is your ideal econmy......if you could live in the perfect world where you could mold your type of econmy and then put it into play what would it be? Here is mine: An Econmy based off batering services and a taxs on certain goods like siliver and gold. Much like the Hawaiin Primitive Econmy or the Aztec Econmy in its primitive stages. There would be a set price for certian things, example a horse would be worth a large peice of gold or a service such as building a shed or something. I would get rid of the whole idea of paper money, because in the ends it litterally worthless because we can't even back it up with gold anymore. Guilds would be for every occupation and insteand of going to college you could join a certain Guild to learn a trade so you survive in life, though a basic education would be provided when you were young. The government could take 1/3 tax on all goods they would send tax collecters to ask for certain foods and maybe some precious metals or building materials. Then those 1/3 taxes would be given back to the people in terms of services. PLanatation like farms would also have Guilds but a little bit of fedeulism would be involved in there. Everyone would have a job and free medical and schooling, inflation would be no existing because there wouldn't be over printing of paper money because there would be no money everything would be based of battering goods and services by signing contracts and such. Guilds would teach the society the nessary things for it to survive. The goverment would have little power in econmy except to tax. ANd states of Counties would be cut smaller to make it eaiser on the battering system. Sorry about spelling, Zeke

Socalism might work. Also in Venice when the Guilds owned most of the propery it was like the workers accully owned everything. Kinda. I like the idea of Guilds before the industrial revolution

Hey Spartacus......I desegree with you on your view. In those days, "The Roman amries" couldn't hook up as fast today and there would be days of delay between comunication. The Romans were geunitlly affraid of Hannibal and imagine if Hannibal had one another battle like Canae if the Romans had tryed one last pitched battle in Italy. I am thinking Hannibal would have won that then marched on ROme and seige it till it ran out of food. So I doubt that the Romans could have won in another pitched battle. And his brother only lost because he was a bad commander and heavly out numbered. Sorry about spelling Zeke

Emperor Julian is my philoshper lol. I think him and Fidel Castro are my heros. Zeke

Marcus Aurelius's Meditation was very enjoyble....but it seems like the guy had no soul and expect everyone to lifeless robots with extreme virtues. He is pratically diffing the gods for all humans and gods alike have vice and virtue. Vice and Viture is like yin and yang keeping each other in balance. Never read Aristotle but I think I should Zeke

I got: 1.Paulus 2.Gaius Marius 3. The Garcchi 4.Sulla 5. Senaca I have to look all these peoples up.

that given the cultural conditions in the Roman Empire, christianity should not have survived; but since the resurrection of Jesus christ was a reality, there was a powerful spirit that beckoned many in those days to embrace this new religion. No one prooved it was a relity at all.....a powerful spirit....sure there was a powerful spirit there I don't doubt that but I don't think it converted people alone it was the cunning of the church and the methods of converstion it used as well as its message. And you know whats funny...after they embraced that spirit.....and took down the altar of victory and doust the fire of Vesta in the Senate house in Rome, never to be rekindled again.....Goths under Alaric sakced the city for the first time since the Celts in 390 B.C. thats no coincendece. The Romans abodandoned their old gods and they were punished servearly. I think that if a guy like this can go about writing his own essay about a magical spirit converting everyone then I should write my own essay of the reaons the Gods abandon Rome to their "New Faith." Not to be offensive but it makes me angry, Sorry about spelling Zeke

I think it would be quite intresting.....yet litterally impossible but intresting never the less. I think we wouldn't have advanced to much though and we would just be getting into maybe the Imperial Musket Age lol Zeke

And to add Viggen or whoever the moderator is on this site....its ironic how their is a Catholic Web Page commerical right under where is says UNRV history asking for you to be forgiven by god. I find that ironic seeing as how were talking about State Run Paganism in the Roman Empire lol, Zeke

There were two types of Roman Paganism.... The first one was for the common people who mainly lived in the country and the poor slums of the cities these people were most likely last to convert to Christainity clinging tightly to the old ways, The Second one was the more rationalist, Sceintific approach that the upperclass favor.....Sotics is a big one one and Marcus Aurelius is its for runner. Also alot of Hellenistic Philosphy was mixed in there. These people used religion to their personal advantage not to explain things and to exploit everyone else..so they just saw Christanity as another way to exploit. But I think that the Romans were eaisly converted not because their religion was weak or anything it was just that the Romans tended to go with the new fad that came along.....Christainity turned out to be a very dangerous fad. Mithrasim was very strong when Christanity first started to take the rains of government and the two forces battled it out for Mitrhasim was more aggresive in convertion and such then other Pagan Religions because like Christainity, it offered something. But it ended as well when Theodeious gave his anti-Pagan decree in 394 A.D. and outlawed all practice of Paganism throughout the Roman Empire. The Romans simply went with the trend at the time if they could see into the future they would have made sure Christainity became extinct..not to be anti Christian of coarse I am just saying that I doubt the Romans would have wanted to live under such an oppresive Church that came latter in the middle ages then the liberal State runned Pagan temples. Sorry about spelling, Zeke

Excelent Farnir I do not see many Astru' (Nordic Pagans) around anywhere...welcome to NURV Roman History. Or is is URVN? I always get confused. Zeke P.s Military intrested me alot when I first stepped aboard the history of the empire

Yeah I know what you mean. The book however is centered around the evils of Christianity and the changing of a new world. I am a Indo-European Pagan myself so I am giving people a little insite of what happened before Christianity did come to power....most of them who wil read it will be Christians I am assuming. But it will be very anti-Christian not because I hate Christians myslef (I have many Christian friends) its just because of the fact that Julian had personal resentment toward Christanity in general and the book is about him. I honestly do believe he was chosen by the gods...even if that does sound a little childish or too religious that is my honest opinion that Julian was the last great deffender of a collapsing world of Paganism. Zeke

Yeah he was the last Pagan Emperor of coarse he was favored by the old gods...he was trying to overthorw Christianity which was gaining in streangth Zeke

Yeah I had your idea DanM he was more of an intellectual then a fighter or a Carasmatic leader. Though he did lead many Campagains and many of the stories that are told tell of him sleeping with his men on the ground not in and tent like most officers of the day. I don't dout he was crazy and a dreamer as well I am going to point it out in the story. He had wonderful dreams but in relity with his death and his self ingulgences he really never got anything done. But yeah thanks for that I will add it to my reaserch.

lol......Wow this disscusion sky rocketed out of control. Well I am back now from my comuter crashing. You know....to be honest for all the past responses, my theory is this. A Roman Empire could form today from the basis of the European Union and if Greeco/Roman Paganism was set up in several states. If a Roman Political Party ran for office in several countries then they would change the whole spectrum. Two Consuls instead of a Prime Minister and a Vice Prime Minister. And a huge Senate...I don't know I am fanstasying here. But a Roman Republic Party! That is the key for Romanized Politics to enter Europe. Just a thought Sorry about spelling, Zeke