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An Interesting Exchange With A Misguided Soul


tflex

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This is an excerpt of an exchange I was involved in with a high ranking Lebanese government official that I know through my fathers friend, I did lose my temper, my text is blue, his is in red:

 

"They are not empty threats. Actually they are not threats at all. There is no need to threaten when the reality itself is indicative of a final showdown & victory against Israel. Israel will not live to see its 70th anniversary. Also, Imam Khoumeini was a peaceful man, that wanted to liberate Palestine, so the Palestinians can have a peaceful system based on equal rights for all the historic inhabitants of Palestine including the Jews ."

 

"I will hold you to that date, you better be around in 2018, your credibility is on the line, as well as your medieval Jihadist ideals. Somehow, I get the feeling this date will have to be extended more than once by your generation and their generation on and on... Are you waiting for god to come down and liberate you from the evil 'jews', because your willingness to die for your fanatical cause won't be enough to wipe out Israel, it's gonna take a lot more than that, but it will be enough to wipe your young men out, when they could have been getting a decent education and building up their future and a family. What do you expect to do with the U.S., are they going to suddenly emigrate to Mars, or maybe your local mosque is giving you economy classes on how the U.S. economy will sink into eternal bankcruptcy, maybe it will according to the economic principles of the mosque, which are based on the same medieval Jihadist principles that predict Israel's destruction in the near future. Before you go around preparing to wipe out Israel from the middle east, you need to take it step by step, you have to start from the bottom of the barrel, try leasing a land somewhere out in the amazon away from the mossad, and practise war games with unarmed orangutans, see if you can invade their jungle, then work your way up, cause it will take a lot more than martyrdom to destroy Israel.

 

Is that the same Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini who founded the Basij Force, you know were parents & mosques willingly volunteered approx. 500,000 brainwashed children as young as 9 years of age to participate in suicidal human wave attacks in the name of god, and were given keys to heaven worn around their necks, so they could use them to enter heaven once they were 'martyred'. 8/10 of these children died for Khoumeini, and as a reward he erected for them a fountain that according to Khoumeini and the Iranian government flows with their blood, in hollywood it is better known as cranberry juice. Talk about a grizzly monument, and this is the same kind of propoganda that Hizbullah & Hamas feeds their children, and the same Khoumeini that Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah idolizes."

 

"So you deny them the right to celebrate the blood of the people who died for the country? what is with that? what is wrong with having a monument to celebrate the martyrs? no. i've seen Khoumeine on tv serve them dinner as humble and as modest as any servant on earth."

 

"Do you see nothing wrong with taking advantage of children who aren't old enough to think for themselves being sent on suicide missions, is there nothing wrong with Khoumeini sposoring such murder of Iranian children, is it necessary to give them keys to heaven. Khoumeini is no different than Saddam, again Iranian T.V. inflates the numbers to 1 million, they actually want the number to be higher for propoganda purposes. Many Lebanese people watched the Iran/Iraq war during the 80s, and saw these images on their T.V. screen, Khoumeini's image of shaking the hands of these children and blessing them beofre their death, is reminscent of Hitler shaking the hands of Hitler youth in the last days of the battle of Berlin. If you see nothing wrong with children being sent to their death by their government, parents and mosques, than you are sick. Khoumeini is no different than Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Saddam, he is a mass murderer."

 

"The Basij was on a purely voluntary bases. In fact, at least 1/3rd of the Iranian army was made up of volunteers."

 

"Oh my goodness some people have totally lost all their senses, you call children as young as 9 years old, and most of them were children because it was easier to recruit them, you call that VOLUNTEERING!!! Have you no shame???? Go watch some footage of mothers and fathers kissing their children goodbye and smiling about it, it's a sick and brainwahed society."

 

"Actually the youngest were 12. You have your beliefs and we have ours. We believe in martyrdom, as I said before, and you believe in turning Lebanon into Monaco. I respect your choice/vision but please respect ours."

 

"You believe in murder, children 9 or 12 cannot think for themselves, Khoumieni, the government, their parents, and the mosques decided their fate for them, they are murderers, and the fact that you're not able to grasp that or admit that, means you are totally braiwashed yourself, but you're an adult, your political positions are suddenly so clear. I will happily debate issues with anyone with a different viewpoint, but I refuse to debate with someone that can't tell the difference between murder of children and martyrdom, as far as I concern, you've made your point loud and clear. But I will not continue to argue such madness and fanatacism. The nerve on some politicians, God help the children."

 

"Let us not use deceptive measures to denounce legitimate means of resisting invaders. Had these boys been forced to do it, they would've run away while on the battlefield, but they did not. They walked through minefields without any fear, this shows that they believed in martyrdom so genuinely that any instinctual fear was overcome by it."

 

All I can say with people like that, especially in government positions, the world & future worries me greatly, talk about an absolute nut. The scary thing is that the arab street thinks the same way.

 

P.S. My dad's friend was pissed at me cause I offended this nut :blink:

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It's human nature to deny anything that will create inconsistencies in one's world view. Suppose you could indeed convince this person, it would mentally wreck him. At least, this is what my experiences have shown me. It's no excuse, but it should be expected from any zealous person, despite their particular belief.

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It is probably extremely difficult to argue with the converted as they are usually the most zealous in their cause. Losing ones temper usually makes the contra party feel victorious and so he continues in his own vein without paying any heed to your arguments. By knowing his precepts and perhaps standing in his shoes, one might be able to change his outlook. Simply being right doesn't win an argument.

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It is probably extremely difficult to argue with the converted as they are usually the most zealous in their cause. Losing ones temper usually makes the contra party feel victorious and so he continues in his own vein without paying any heed to your arguments. By knowing his precepts and perhaps standing in his shoes, one might be able to change his outlook. Simply being right doesn't win an argument.

 

I know what you mean. I lose my temper very easily when I talk about politics. An Arab came on a blog and talked about how Copts are 'self hating Arabs.' When I read it, I was down right irate. Of course, I ran her out of her own blog but I regretted not acting with patience like the church tells us to do.

 

I heard a saying that says, "Never get into a fight with a pig, or else you both get dirty and he enjoys it."

 

Although, seeing tflex just down right emberass that maniac, 'we want to kill our kids and you want to build a nation' was quite funny to see. Like it or not, tflex had to speak some sense into that brainwashed guy.

 

Question: If the Ayatollah was the closest to Islam and the Quran if his time how come he told others to murder, encouraged children to commit suicide, and told the Iranians to hate Jews and Christians?

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People are willing to believe what it is in their interest. If he says that it does not mean that he could not think different if he will benefit from something else. This was a wrong way to tell that people often lie others and more often lie themselves.

It is sad when high officials are like that, but even worse when people had to be like that to be high officials.

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It's human nature to deny anything that will create inconsistencies in one's world view. Suppose you could indeed convince this person, it would mentally wreck him. At least, this is what my experiences have shown me. It's no excuse, but it should be expected from any zealous person, despite their particular belief.

 

You're right it is human nature, but it's also human nature to recognize a wrongdoing. Kids being sent to their slaughter, you would think alarm bells would go off, not so with some people.

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It's human nature to deny anything that will create inconsistencies in one's world view. Suppose you could indeed convince this person, it would mentally wreck him. At least, this is what my experiences have shown me. It's no excuse, but it should be expected from any zealous person, despite their particular belief.

 

You're right it is human nature, but it's also human nature to recognize a wrongdoing. Kids being sent to their slaughter, you would think alarm bells would go off, not so with some people.

The notion is intimately related to the fundamental basis of his beliefs.

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