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hi suzannah, i let first the winner get a chance to come out of the closet
, btw. the dvd is on its way to the winner, maybe he can even write then a review about it...I'm out of the closet now...and loving it. Thank you.
I'll let everyone know what I think after I enjoy the DVD thoroughly.
Thank you, again.
guy also known as gaius
Hey GUY GGGG GAIUS Many congrats. Enjoy xx
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It`s a pitty Melvadius, but this thread was a week online and i even sent out a email notification to all forum members (unless you set your email settings to not get updates from the board admin), so not sure what else i must do to get your attention
cheers and maybe next time more luck
viggen
It is a pity we do not know who won, as non of us r anonnymuos & we all posted our id's and asked to be included, any chance we know the name of the winner?? only want to congratulate. Thanks
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It`s a pitty Melvadius, but this thread was a week online and i even sent out a email notification to all forum members (unless you set your email settings to not get updates from the board admin), so not sure what else i must do to get your attention
cheers and maybe next time more luck
viggen
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Oh yes please include me it is my fav city in the whole world. Thank you
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The most important parts of graeco-roman Alexandria are believed to be under the sea as a result of an earthquake in the Middle Ages.
Anyway Hawass FTW
As I understand it, this tomb is some 50km outside Alexandria
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/19/c...ark-antony.html
It would be remarkable to find the tomb of Cleopatra, but i would be over awed if they are digging just outside of Alexandria, that they may at last discover the body of Alexandra the great after Antiochus nicked it. Of course, no evidence to support he is laid to rest there, however, we can only remain hopeful.
A word on preservation. It is likely that if Cleopatra's tomb lay underwater, that artifacts could be preserved, just look at what they are still dredging out of the Black sea intact. Am living in hope again of course.
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Hi there,
would you mind giving me your reference for below, thanks, suz
{The Kalendas of Sextilis (later August), DCCXXIV A.U.C. (30 BC), during his own fourth consulship (with L. Saenius) and the 187th Olympiad, Octavius (later Augustus) captures Alexandria. }
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Antony wanted him dead, Octavian stood by and allowed it. And even though, Cicero was always somewhat of a manipulator himself, ie egging on Brutus and Cassius amongst others. but, did he stand for the old republic in earnest or was he just thinking of himself when he wrote about his sadness at missing the 'feast' on the Ides of March.
Would be interested to know what people think of his wranling with Antony, his dreadful put down in the Phillippics and his mistaken trusting relationship with the young Octavian.
Thanks
Suz
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Sorry if i was wrong about the Capitoline Museum, it obviously reminded me of something else!
This statue has it looks like, the Pima Porta (Musei Vaticani, Rome) under the cloak.
There is nothing in Ramage and Ramage (foremost experts on Art and Architecture). If you can bare to wait until August, I will see an expert on this period and let you know further.
regards
Suz.
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thanks primus,
had Suetonius on list but my prof thinks it a bit late/not so reliable.
Dio Cassius on my list tho.
thanks for other titles.
off to get new glasses for excessive reading this summer
suz
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My angle would be to cover the man's character/thoughts etc, but this has so far come up as a dead end, because we just do not have any evidence of psychology in that era. So, I am attempting to look at Octavian/Augustus 'self representation'.
Don't discount Suetonius as a source for Augustus' character. His biography is loaded with the sort of information that should help you. Tacitus, Nicolaus of Damascus and even Dio Cassius should also offer some additional insight.
Here are a few more suggestions:
Augustus (Roman Imperial Biographies) by Pat Southern
The Power of Images in the Age of Augustus by Paul Zanker (if anything will provide evidence of Augustus' "self-representation", this is it)
The Age of Augustus by Werner Eck
Augustus: The Life of Rome's First Emperor by Anthony Everitt
The Sons of Caesar: Imperial Rome's First Dynasty by Philip Matyszak
Augustus: Godfather of Europe by Richard Holland
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hi all,
well am starting my summer reading up for my dissertation on Octavian/Augustus.
I include my reading list, but welcome any other books, papers etc that you know of to help with this topic.
I aim to cover the 19 year old Octavian's rise to power and how he sustained it and did a great job of becoming the father of peace and first Emperor.
My angle would be to cover the man's character/thoughts etc, but this has so far come up as a dead end, because we just do not have any evidence of psychology in that era. So, I am attempting to look at Octavian/Augustus 'self representation'. Obviously i dont want to drag out the Res Gesta alone, it is simply not enough. so here is the reading list.:
Baker, Golden age of Rome
Stockten, Cicero, Last chapters
Rawson, Cicero a Portrait
L.P. Wilkinson, Cicero's Letters
something in Virgil's Ecologues III
Am also looking at, Mark Anthony, re Cicero's death (because Augustus allowed this) and the rebellion by mark anthony's brother, persui mar. Battle of Sextus Pompay in Sicily. Also first arrival to defeat the rebellion in Sicily.
Any other info you think i could use, greatly appreciate.
If anyone would like a copy of the dissertation in september when it is finished, be glad to pass it on.
am 3/4 of way thru the MA, passed the dreaded Latin, thank god!
sorry i wont be able to add much to this forum until after sept. Glad its kept going tho. Well done URSUS.
Regards, Suz.
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Sorry about last post and the many typo's, never had my glasses on
suzhannah.
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P;ease put me down, but for this summer i have a thesis to write about octavians rise to power, however, i did get an A in my BA principate answer only last year, so that being the case lets hope i remember enough to join in. The julio/claudians and the year of the four emperors swung it for me in the exam. Lets hope at my mature student status of the over 40's that i can be of some help when my thesis is completed. in the meantime i will look in to see how the Proposed Principate forum is doing.
all the best, suzhannah.
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Am pasting this from the Empire board post to this location, to see if anyone has any more ideas, because when a boy, the time is the Republic era for Octavian, not Empire as yet.
Through Cisero, a little can be read about Octavian, however, I am interested in any other material that discusses the character of the boy. It has been said he had a bloody rise to power, but, all I have read is how ill he seemed to be in the throws of important battles. It is obvioius he had major spin doctors and powerful advisers when he became Augustus. However, my main interest is befoe this period.
Has anyone read anything apart from Everitt's Cicero? the parts of the book about Octavian's early life aren't greatly covered though. Do we know who the former advisors of Caeser, who clearly helped Octavian elevate into a triumvir position with Antony & Lepidus were?
To me this is a fascinating period in history, as a deeply republican society transformed into an imperial one. Although one must have the greates respect for Augustus bringing the much needed peace and stability to the ailing republic, it still begs the question (I would love answered) of how a 19 year old came to control first the party and then the state.
Any views or info on primary or secondary indepth sources?
Thanks
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hi there,
well i asked my latin prof today, over 40 yrs experience teaching latin and the best he could do for you, out of context or not seeing whole text, is this.
i discover from the naration of victoris (Aurelis), i/you will judge by the duty/business/matters of a special man/notable person.
if you have the paragraph in full, he could help further.
suz
ps.
ex usually means:
out of
on account of
out from
from within
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Thanks a lot. "Vir spectabilis" was the late Roman title, you`re right.
So, now we have:
" found out it in connection with spectabilate named [Aurelius] Victor who practiced jurisprudence".
hi,
in Latin, negotio and victoris are in what is called the ablative/dative case, so they mean either with/from, ie with duty from victories, victoris is first declention feminine, meaning that the is at the end is plural. conperto as far as i can see is two words, con, is usually doing somethin, ie, condo = i build. congredio = i come together. coniungo = i unite. consentio = i agree. i think conperto as, i beseech or i beg.
viri is plural also, so it is men not man. spectabillis, can indeed be a title, but it can also mean, spy or messenger. ex means, out of, on account of, or with, from.
all a bit muddled i know. there are no questions in this, i do not see quis/quo, cui etc, so i cant see where you have 'who' nor 'practiced' from'.
also ' i found out' seems wrong because it would be, inuenio.
it is just that no sentence in latin has to be from start to finish, sometimes the last word can be first when translated and the endings of words change the structure of the sentence too. so, i am in my latin class tomorrow, and will check with my prof for you. if i am totally wrong, then sorry and much for MA Latin!!
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well done Julian, good bit of research.
& Northern Neil, still waiting for my card also, even tho am married, still they forget the romance, would end this with 'bloody men' but dont want to upset so many of you bril guys on this sight who assist so well
suzhannah
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Through Cisero, a little can be read about Octavian, however, I am interested in any other material that discusses the character of the boy. It has been said he had a bloody rise to power, but, all I have read is how ill he seemed to be in the throws of important battles. It is obvioius he had major spin doctors and powerful advisers when he became Augustus. However, my main interest is befoe this period.
Has anyone read anything apart from Everitt's Cicero? the parts of the book about Octavian's early life aren't greatly covered though. Do we know who the former advisors of Caeser, who clearly helped Octavian elevate into a triumvir position with Antony & Lepidus were?
To me this is a fascinating period in history, as a deeply republican society transformed into an imperial one. Although one must have the greates respect for Augustus bringing the much needed peace and stability to the ailing republic, it still begs the question (I would love answered) of how a 19 year old came to control first the party and then the state.
Any views or info on primary or secondary indepth sources?
Thanks
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marcus aurelius for all the reasons tribunus says and more, surely 'the greates' in a humble opinion of course.
suz
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I started a recent thread on just this point - when did Octavian decide to take the path he did - did he have a "master plan", and if so, what was it?
Your post is a little difficult to follow,
Caesar did not exile Cicero (Cisero?) and neither did Octavian. Indeed, Octavian "used2 Cicero for political ends.
As far as i know neither cicero nor Octavian were put off politics for life (if that is what you meant by "putting the poor guy off politics for life"). Antonius certainly put Cicero off politics for life - by having him killed - but you do not mention Antonius. Otherwise, Cicero was as indecisive as ever in the last months of his life (he could have fled and saved himself) but politically active with his "Philippics" against Antonius.
Phil
Good post Augusta - I endorse every word.
Phil
I started a recent thread on just this point - when did Octavian decide to take the path he did - did he have a "master plan", and if so, what was it?Your post is a little difficult to follow,
Caesar did not exile Cicero (Cisero?) and neither did Octavian. Indeed, Octavian "used2 Cicero for political ends.
As far as i know neither cicero nor Octavian were put off politics for life (if that is what you meant by "putting the poor guy off politics for life"). Antonius certainly put Cicero off politics for life - by having him killed - but you do not mention Antonius. Otherwise, Cicero was as indecisive as ever in the last months of his life (he could have fled and saved himself) but politically active with his "Philippics" against Antonius.
Phil
Good post Augusta - I endorse every word.
Phil
hi phil,
sorry am so wrapped up in my latin and got cisero (typo) cicero (pronounced kikero of course) on the brain. i threw in cicero because i know in his letters he tries to curtale octavians actions as a youth and warns him of his behaviour
i want to stay on octavian and his rise to power. would love to know where ur post is, was it long ago cos i cant find it.
thanks to tribunus for info on ronald syme, will look it up.
regards
suz
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i know phil will like this one. sorry i have been off for a bit, deep in thesis mode.
OCTAVIAN,as we know rose to power sumwhat indirectly.
what was he like growing up and before he became the sainted augustus (in the romans eyes of course).
i have plenty on the principate/augustan rule etc..... but would be interested in any info or where to start with the 'youth' octavian.
some say he was a brutal youth and nothing like his transformation when he became the manipulative and graceful augustus.
i have heard that cisero tried to reign him in and warned him of his behaviour, but perhaps that was because caesar held no love for cisero and banished him in the first place, putting the poor guy off politics for life.
would love comments on octavian and especially views on his personality and actions pre augustus.
ta
suz.
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I will be making a documentary on the Siege of Masada with a research partner for this year's national history day competition. I know the only 'primary' 'account' is by Flavius Josephus, so we are searching for archeology books on the subject. If anyone comes across any books relating to Masada just post here. I am compiling a list of professors/archeologists for a mailing list. If you know of anyone with expertise related to the Jewish War/Eastern Legions/Masada/Eastern Sociology of that period, please post contact info here. If that includes anyone on the board here, that would be awesome. After the event is over (around april-may- july the latest) I will be glad to share it with everyone here.
For more info about the project just pm me.
hi antiochus,
i dont know where u r, but i am in ireland. i know that all universities have ancient history or classical faculties with all historians own particular field of experteese. am sure if u contact a uni they will be glad to help with your research or put u onto the particular scholer, or if you go on to uni web sites, u will find a biog on all lectureres with thier fields of interest and publications listed.
interesting area.
good luck
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hi,
primus is correct. the sybilline books were destroyed. you could read the aeneid (virgil) or the golden ass (apaulius) to get a better view of the goddess reverence and relevance to ancient history.
the worship of syble or cyble (it was initially a holy black stone) was brought to rome from another eastern culture and assimilated. this was something the romans were very good at, many cultural, religious and artistic and scientific aspects of Greece and Egypt especially were used in the roman world.
Spectacle in the Roman World
in Trajan's Market
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Please let me be lucky this time. Thanks you.