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Please let me be lucky this time. Thanks you.

I'm out of the closet now...and loving it. Thank you. I'll let everyone know what I think after I enjoy the DVD thoroughly. Thank you, again. guy also known as gaius Hey GUY GGGG GAIUS Many congrats. Enjoy xx

It is a pity we do not know who won, as non of us r anonnymuos & we all posted our id's and asked to be included, any chance we know the name of the winner?? only want to congratulate. Thanks

Oh yes please include me it is my fav city in the whole world. Thank you

As I understand it, this tomb is some 50km outside Alexandria http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/04/19/c...ark-antony.html It would be remarkable to find the tomb of Cleopatra, but i would be over awed if they are digging just outside of Alexandria, that they may at last discover the body of Alexandra the great after Antiochus nicked it. Of course, no evidence to support he is laid to rest there, however, we can only remain hopeful. A word on preservation. It is likely that if Cleopatra's tomb lay underwater, that artifacts could be preserved, just look at what they are still dredging out of the Black sea intact. Am living in hope again of course.

"Heck, I still believed I could be a rock star back then. That's how optimistic we were. Of course we didn't have Simon Cowell to puncture our dreams back then. I therefore deduce that Mr Cowell is single-handedly responsible for destroying music as we know it. He is the anti-christ (Sorry Ozzy, love the music, but you're only the Prince of Medium Greyness)" Whilst i do agree with your comments on how good the music was, am sorry to disappoint you, but Mr Cowel was very much a part of the music scene even then. He may have had a shared office up twisting back stairs at the end of old bond street, but, he had just stopped going out with Sinitta and produced 'so macho', she ran off with David Essex as she was doing a musical with him and he (simon) ran off with my flat mate, a nice leggy model called Lisa. His tastes have never changed, he goes for the same type of women and i have to say his personality has never changed. Simon was the same in the 80's pushing his career and record label. I always found him charming and honest, so, i see no difference in him now. Yes he can be a wee bit too honest, but seriously, he has always been the same way, its not an act. Yes he does have an inflated ego, but he is nice with it too. I promise you he was just the same and just as involved in many of the 80's hits am afraid as he is today. So, you'll have to find someone else to blame for the brutal sounds on the radio today lol. with love, suz

Hi there, would you mind giving me your reference for below, thanks, suz {The Kalendas of Sextilis (later August), DCCXXIV A.U.C. (30 BC), during his own fourth consulship (with L. Saenius) and the 187th Olympiad, Octavius (later Augustus) captures Alexandria. }

Antony wanted him dead, Octavian stood by and allowed it. And even though, Cicero was always somewhat of a manipulator himself, ie egging on Brutus and Cassius amongst others. but, did he stand for the old republic in earnest or was he just thinking of himself when he wrote about his sadness at missing the 'feast' on the Ides of March. Would be interested to know what people think of his wranling with Antony, his dreadful put down in the Phillippics and his mistaken trusting relationship with the young Octavian. Thanks Suz

Sorry if i was wrong about the Capitoline Museum, it obviously reminded me of something else! This statue has it looks like, the Pima Porta (Musei Vaticani, Rome) under the cloak. There is nothing in Ramage and Ramage (foremost experts on Art and Architecture). If you can bare to wait until August, I will see an expert on this period and let you know further. regards Suz.

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thanks primus, had Suetonius on list but my prof thinks it a bit late/not so reliable. Dio Cassius on my list tho. thanks for other titles. off to get new glasses for excessive reading this summer suz

Don't discount Suetonius as a source for Augustus' character. His biography is loaded with the sort of information that should help you. Tacitus, Nicolaus of Damascus and even Dio Cassius should also offer some additional insight. Here are a few more suggestions: Augustus (Roman Imperial Biographies) by Pat Southern The Power of Images in the Age of Augustus by Paul Zanker (if anything will provide evidence of Augustus' "self-representation", this is it) The Age of Augustus by Werner Eck Augustus: The Life of Rome's First Emperor by Anthony Everitt The Sons of Caesar: Imperial Rome's First Dynasty by Philip Matyszak Augustus: Godfather of Europe by Richard Holland

hi all, well am starting my summer reading up for my dissertation on Octavian/Augustus. I include my reading list, but welcome any other books, papers etc that you know of to help with this topic. I aim to cover the 19 year old Octavian's rise to power and how he sustained it and did a great job of becoming the father of peace and first Emperor. My angle would be to cover the man's character/thoughts etc, but this has so far come up as a dead end, because we just do not have any evidence of psychology in that era. So, I am attempting to look at Octavian/Augustus 'self representation'. Obviously i dont want to drag out the Res Gesta alone, it is simply not enough. so here is the reading list.: Baker, Golden age of Rome Stockten, Cicero, Last chapters Rawson, Cicero a Portrait L.P. Wilkinson, Cicero's Letters something in Virgil's Ecologues III Am also looking at, Mark Anthony, re Cicero's death (because Augustus allowed this) and the rebellion by mark anthony's brother, persui mar. Battle of Sextus Pompay in Sicily. Also first arrival to defeat the rebellion in Sicily. Any other info you think i could use, greatly appreciate. If anyone would like a copy of the dissertation in september when it is finished, be glad to pass it on. am 3/4 of way thru the MA, passed the dreaded Latin, thank god! sorry i wont be able to add much to this forum until after sept. Glad its kept going tho. Well done URSUS. Regards, Suz.

Sorry about last post and the many typo's, never had my glasses on suzhannah.

P;ease put me down, but for this summer i have a thesis to write about octavians rise to power, however, i did get an A in my BA principate answer only last year, so that being the case lets hope i remember enough to join in. The julio/claudians and the year of the four emperors swung it for me in the exam. Lets hope at my mature student status of the over 40's that i can be of some help when my thesis is completed. in the meantime i will look in to see how the Proposed Principate forum is doing. all the best, suzhannah.

Am pasting this from the Empire board post to this location, to see if anyone has any more ideas, because when a boy, the time is the Republic era for Octavian, not Empire as yet. Through Cisero, a little can be read about Octavian, however, I am interested in any other material that discusses the character of the boy. It has been said he had a bloody rise to power, but, all I have read is how ill he seemed to be in the throws of important battles. It is obvioius he had major spin doctors and powerful advisers when he became Augustus. However, my main interest is befoe this period. Has anyone read anything apart from Everitt's Cicero? the parts of the book about Octavian's early life aren't greatly covered though. Do we know who the former advisors of Caeser, who clearly helped Octavian elevate into a triumvir position with Antony & Lepidus were? To me this is a fascinating period in history, as a deeply republican society transformed into an imperial one. Although one must have the greates respect for Augustus bringing the much needed peace and stability to the ailing republic, it still begs the question (I would love answered) of how a 19 year old came to control first the party and then the state. Any views or info on primary or secondary indepth sources? Thanks

hi there, well i asked my latin prof today, over 40 yrs experience teaching latin and the best he could do for you, out of context or not seeing whole text, is this. i discover from the naration of victoris (Aurelis), i/you will judge by the duty/business/matters of a special man/notable person. if you have the paragraph in full, he could help further. suz ps. ex usually means: out of on account of out from from within

hi, in Latin, negotio and victoris are in what is called the ablative/dative case, so they mean either with/from, ie with duty from victories, victoris is first declention feminine, meaning that the is at the end is plural. conperto as far as i can see is two words, con, is usually doing somethin, ie, condo = i build. congredio = i come together. coniungo = i unite. consentio = i agree. i think conperto as, i beseech or i beg. viri is plural also, so it is men not man. spectabillis, can indeed be a title, but it can also mean, spy or messenger. ex means, out of, on account of, or with, from. all a bit muddled i know. there are no questions in this, i do not see quis/quo, cui etc, so i cant see where you have 'who' nor 'practiced' from'. also ' i found out' seems wrong because it would be, inuenio. it is just that no sentence in latin has to be from start to finish, sometimes the last word can be first when translated and the endings of words change the structure of the sentence too. so, i am in my latin class tomorrow, and will check with my prof for you. if i am totally wrong, then sorry and much for MA Latin!!

well done Julian, good bit of research. & Northern Neil, still waiting for my card also, even tho am married, still they forget the romance, would end this with 'bloody men' but dont want to upset so many of you bril guys on this sight who assist so well suzhannah

Through Cisero, a little can be read about Octavian, however, I am interested in any other material that discusses the character of the boy. It has been said he had a bloody rise to power, but, all I have read is how ill he seemed to be in the throws of important battles. It is obvioius he had major spin doctors and powerful advisers when he became Augustus. However, my main interest is befoe this period. Has anyone read anything apart from Everitt's Cicero? the parts of the book about Octavian's early life aren't greatly covered though. Do we know who the former advisors of Caeser, who clearly helped Octavian elevate into a triumvir position with Antony & Lepidus were? To me this is a fascinating period in history, as a deeply republican society transformed into an imperial one. Although one must have the greates respect for Augustus bringing the much needed peace and stability to the ailing republic, it still begs the question (I would love answered) of how a 19 year old came to control first the party and then the state. Any views or info on primary or secondary indepth sources? Thanks

marcus aurelius for all the reasons tribunus says and more, surely 'the greates' in a humble opinion of course. suz

i know phil will like this one. sorry i have been off for a bit, deep in thesis mode. OCTAVIAN,as we know rose to power sumwhat indirectly. what was he like growing up and before he became the sainted augustus (in the romans eyes of course). i have plenty on the principate/augustan rule etc..... but would be interested in any info or where to start with the 'youth' octavian. some say he was a brutal youth and nothing like his transformation when he became the manipulative and graceful augustus. i have heard that cisero tried to reign him in and warned him of his behaviour, but perhaps that was because caesar held no love for cisero and banished him in the first place, putting the poor guy off politics for life. would love comments on octavian and especially views on his personality and actions pre augustus. ta suz.

hi antiochus, i dont know where u r, but i am in ireland. i know that all universities have ancient history or classical faculties with all historians own particular field of experteese. am sure if u contact a uni they will be glad to help with your research or put u onto the particular scholer, or if you go on to uni web sites, u will find a biog on all lectureres with thier fields of interest and publications listed. interesting area. good luck