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Maybe these posts is far-fetched ?
Paul was also called "Saul", whom was a Benjamite, in the old Testement, and the symbol of the Benjamin , was the "Wolf", which in Greek is "?????" [Lukos], as a name may render ??????? [Loukios].
The name Saul is ????? [sAOUL] and the name Paul is ?????? [PAULOS], which is Saoul rearranged, with an added ?.
The name "Polycarp" or POLUKARPOS also has the name Paul within, and the name Lukos
and compare with Plutarch, same number of letters, and some letters are in the same sequence, and Plutarch was called Luke, and as Priest of Apollo, thus Apollonius, and was a Physicians and was a Priest of Byzantine, above Polycarp
POLUKARPOS
PLOUTARXOS
(ST PAUL , ST LUKE)(Lucius Paulus) was Plutarch also called Polycarp
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Christianity is already Romanised, it is after all a Roman Religion
The Divine Augustus was God's son on earth, that is why he is venerated as "Divi filius" , a Latin phrase meaning "son of a god", the 'god' being Julius Caesar, the venerated God-Father of the Roman Empire.
Christian Religion does venerate Rome, if you understand the typology of the Gospels.
The Main Christian Symbols, the Cross, the Chi-Rho and the Church Design are all derived from the Imperial Cult of Rome.
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Is it coincidence that Titus was Ordained through Prophecies and Omens from Judea, and the Stories of Jesus are linked to the Military campaigns of Jesus, and these Historians point the Origin of these Prophecies directly to "Titus Flavius Josephus" (Titus Flavius Basilides).
It is also coincidental that the first Christians where "Flavians" ?
Titus Flavius Clemens
-A Saint
-great-nephew of the Roman Emperor Vespasian.
-also known as "Pope Clements"
-Ordained by St-Peter
Flavia Domitilla
-A Saint
-daughter of Domitilla the Younger, and Granddaughter of Vespasian
-Wife of Clement
-She built the First Christian Catacombs
The term "Saint" is derived from the 'Sabine' God "Sancus", and the Flavians originated from the Sabine Region, Sancus was also known as "Semoni Sanco", and most scholars believe that Justin Martyr confused Semoni Sanco with Simon,
Sancus was also known as the Father of "Sabus", who appears in the Gospels as "Bar-Sabbas" [son of Sabus], and the term "Sabus" originates the term "Sabinus", so "Bar-Sabbas" can also means "Son of Sabinus" or "Joseph, the Son of Sabinus, also known as "Justus" [Titus Flavius Justus] , whom appears as "Titus Justus", in Book of Acts.
The name "Peter", or "Petro", is the name of the Grandfather of Titus known as "Titus Flavius Petro", so Peter was named after him, but the obvious identification of "Simon-Peter" is "Josephus", for he names his son "Simonides" [son of Simon], which is an alternative rendering of "Semonides"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titus_Flavius_Petro
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semonides_of_Amorgos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonides_of_Ceos
Why don't people question these series of Coincidences
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The White Bearded Man is more likely to have being an Albino, and Romans where not strictly White, and in General, and White People do not exist,as we are not Ghosts.
Those Roman Artefacts are found in Americas prior to European Colonisation, and South American is colonized by Spanish People, whom are Romans
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The Vatican needs abolishing first, so Rome can be whole again.
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Here is another piece of the worst piece of Propagenda that was produced and written by Josephus (Priest of Titus).
Josephus War of the Jews 6.204
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IF the Flavians had made their name suppressing the Boudiccan rebellion in Britain then there would probably have been a lot more both written about Boudicca AND surviving than we have through Tacitus.
Tacitus did present information regarding Judea, an even wrote of there Origin, which Biblical-Apologetic through-out time have tried to Prove him wrong, but until recently through Archaeology, that Tacitus might be Right.
Tacitus Book V
Some say that the Judaens were fugitives from the island of Crete, who settled on the nearest coast of Africa about the time when Saturn was driven from his throne by the power of Jupiter. Evidence of this is sought in the name. There is a famous mountain in Crete called Ida; the neighbouring tribe, the Idaei, came to be called Judaei by a barbarous lengthening of the national name.
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Here is a Crucial passage from "Suetonius life of Vespasian, 5", this was "Before" he became Empire
[suetonius, Life of? Vespasian, 6]
There had spread over all the Orient an old and established belief, that it was fated at that time for men coming from Judaea to rule the world. This prediction, referring to the emperor of Rome, as afterwards appeared from the event, the people of Judaea took to themselves;
This passage is very Crucial of the Propaganda Vespasian Produced to get his prize of being "Emperor", they used Ancient Oracles of Judea (There Scriptures), and interpreted them, to refer to "Vespasian" and his Successors , so
"Vespasian" became a Messianic-Figure , a "Christ", then using propaganda, created a following, whom where the "Christians" (His followers), and NERO Persecuted them for Conspiracy
This was basically, the successor of the Pisonian Conspiracy, a few years before the Christian Persecution, whom tried to Assassinate Nero, so Nero Persecuted the Conspirators, so why would Nero worry about a small Cult, and perform a similar Persecution, but then a few moments after the 2nd Conspiracy, Nero was finally Assassinated, then his successor 'Galba", was Assassinated, then Otho undismayed by omens and prophecies committed suicide, and last of all Vitellius who was killed by VESPASIANS Troops, and finally "Vespasian" becomes Emperor died on his Death Bed [NO assassination, NO Suicide].
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They seems to be conflicting information between these Three 'synoptic' Historians, Josephus does not Mention Titus consulting the God of Carmel, and Tacitus does not mention Josephus, and Suetonius and Josephus do not mention Basilides
Josephus War of the Jews
O Vespasian, although you suppose you have taken captive a forsaken Josephus, I have come as a messenger of great tidings. Had I not been sent by God to you, ..... O Caesar, are not only lord over me but over the land and the sea, and all mankind
Tacitus
priest Basilides, after repeated inspection of the victim's vitals, said to him: "Whatever you are planning, Vespasian, whether to build a house, or to enlarge your holdings, or to increase the number of your slaves, the god grants you a mighty home, limitless bounds, and a multitude of men."
The originator of the Oracles concerning Titus, was "Josephus" [Josepos], Josephus in his Wars, wrote "I have come as a Messenger, Sent by God" , Josephus was a Prophet, and Priest, and he was the First to mention that Titus would become Caesar
So Tacitus must of mentioned "Josephus" under the name of "Basilides", as Josephus was the Chief Prophet/Priest of the Flavians
Josephus Lives in Rome, and must of acquired that name, so Tacitus was referring to his Current Name at the time he was writing, also, his sons bore similar names like "Simonides" [son of Simon] (after a greek philosopher) and "Basilides" means "Son of the King", so if "Titus" adopted "Josephus", then he could be an adopted son of "Titus", and even acquired the name "Titus Flavius", so "Josephus" was "Basilides". [son of God]
These Flavians, also have origins in the Sabine Region of Italy, and a famous hero of those region was "Mettius Curtius", compare "Mett-i-u" with "Matt-he-w" or "Matthias" and according to Josephus, his obscure Lineage places "Matthias Curtus" has HIS Ancestor, and the earliest known ancestor of the Flavians dynasty was "Titus Flavius Petro" [Peter], and we have a Titus Flavius Simonides [son of Simon]
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I have being doing a lot of reading, specially that of Suetonius, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny, so here are some quotes of these Historian, that suggest that the Flavians and rose to power through Propaganda
[Tacitus, Histories, 1. 10.]
Flavius Vespasian, a general of Nero's appointment, was carrying on the war in Judaea with three legions, and he had no wish or feeling adverse to Galba. He had in fact sent his son Titus to acknowledge his authority and bespeak his favour, as in its proper place I shall relate. As for the hidden decrees of fate, the omens and the oracles that marked out Vespasian and his sons for imperial power, we believed in them only after his success.
[Tacitus, History, 5. 13]
in the ancient records of their priests was contained a prediction of how at this very time the East was to grow powerful, and rulers, coming from Judaea, were to acquire universal empire. These mysterious prophecies had pointed to Vespasian and Titus,
[suetonius, Life of Vespasian, 4]
An ancient superstition was current in the East, that out of Judea would come the rulers of the world. This prediction, as it later proved, referred to the two Roman Emperors, Vespasian and his son Titus; but the rebellious Jews, who read it as referring to themselves.
[Josephus War of the Jews, 6.5.4]
But now, what did most elevate them [the Jews] in undertaking this war was an ambiguous oracle that was found in their sacred writings, how,
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Well St-Paul [Joseph Flavius] was a Corrupt-Pharisee and a Criminal, He is not the best source for History...
When it comes to Slavery, it really depends on Who the Slave-Master is.. Marcus Mettius Epaphroditus, was also a slave, whom eventually became a freedman.. went to Rome and collected a library of 30,000 Books, as well as being a Sponsor of St-Paul [Joseph Flavius] whom Josephus devotes his works too..and likely to have had a hand in the Gospel Authorship [st Mark , St Matthew (Mettius)]
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The Christian Crucifixion was based on a short passage from Josephus' writings and Caesars Passion
The only person known in history to survive a Roman crucifixion is a friend whom Josephus saves after intervening with the Roman commander. Three are taken down but only one survives.
Josephus, Life, 75, p. 20 of Whiston
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Here is a more controversial thesis
The Statue of Liberty
The Statue ressembles, Divus Iulius as depicted here, holding up Victory/Sidus Divus
Liberty, From Middle English liberte, from Old French liberte, from Latin libertas (
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Here is another Coin minted after the Funeral of Caesar
L.AEMILIVS BVCA Julius Caesar Venus Dream of Sulla -or- Selene and Endymion Denarius
Denarius. 44BC
It displays the iconography of the funeral with Caesar's effigy as Endymion. The Endymion/Caesar figure was part of the Dionysian/Bacchus rites (cf. the article "Liberalia Tu Accusas!"), and was hoisted from the ferculum onto the tropaeum.
The image above shows a reconstruction of Caesar
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Lentelus - 63BC-14AD
Octavian - 27BC-14AD
Erm you seem to have conflated the dates that Lentulus was alive with the period when Octavian/ Augustus was in power. It would have been more helpful for your argument to have given specific dates in which the coins you have chosen as exemplars were minted.
This is especially so since a letter attributed to Lentulus referring to Jesus Christ is generally believed to be apocraphyl. Come to think of it since Lentulus was dead long before Jesus Christ came to notice that makes any connection between him and Christian beleifs even less likely
Ok, Here are some fresh coins with dates.
Denarius in name of Julius Caesar, struck under Octavian at a mobile mint in Italy or Cisalpine Gaul, 43 BC.
Augustus. 27 BC-AD 14. AR Denarius (3.98 g, 5h). Rome mint. L. Lentulus, moneyer. Struck 12 BC. AVGVSTVS, bare head right / L
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More importantly, however (and this is the source of my schizophrenia crack)
I knew i would get responses like this, specially those whom are part of the Jesus Cult, this is why people
don't research these topics, for they fear they be ridiculed, do you know many people where killed, tortured whom tried to expose the Christian Roots, they get shoved to one side and ignored, yet all these highly paid "Biblical Scholar" whom spread lies about Roman History are showered with Money
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Actually, I did discuss some of your points. Specifically, I pointed out that two of the coins that you reproduced to show a "pattern" linking Caesar to Christ were actually coins depicting Octavian and Lentulus. I'm waiting for a reply on that.
They are thousands of these coins, sure i could have shown coins only depicting Caesar, the coins are random, the popularity of these symbols popped up after the death of Julius through the popularity of the Divi-Iuli Cult, around the reign of Octavian.
Lentelus - 63BC-14AD
Octavian - 27BC-14AD
These coins predate Christianity, showing Christian-like symbolism, thus relevant.
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Rather than looking for "patterns" of symbols that support your argument, could you present some logically valid evidence that the source of the Jesus cult had any causal connection to the Caesar cult?
The Temples of the Caesar Cult where the first to be replaced with the Jesus Cult, so Christian Church are thus built upon the Caesar Cult,.
The cult of Divus Iulius, together with that of his filiation Divi Filius, disappeared suddenly with the advent of Christianity. What is particularly interesting is the fact that the caesarea and augustea became the first Christian churches, and consequently the statues of Jesus replaced the statues of Divus Iulius and Divi Filius respectively. The other well-known early Christian churches took the place of the temples of Venus
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I created this thread to encourage people to look into this further and create more depth, in this research. and look into the Roman origins of Christianity, through "Roman Scholars"... not "Biblical Scholars" (which are different)
Biblical Scholars are the most ignorant and biased of people, they come out with things like "I accept that the Crucifixion/Resurrection of Jesus is an historical Event", and they ALWAYS ignore anything that contradicts the Gospels , or even Corrupt Roman history to fit the Gospel Narrative, they do not realize, that the Gospel is a Story and Poetry written by Unknown Authors.
Through Roman Scholarship, these "Unknown Authors" should have full identities along with "Praenomen, Nomen, Cognomen" along with others work they wrote, some i believe are already discovered.
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This is one of the strangest series of posts to occur in the Res Publica forum -- it's one image after another with absolutely no historical context provided to constrain its bizarre reasoning. A couple quick points. First, many of the coins supposedly depicting Caesar do not. Some are of Octavian, others are actually Caesar's political enemies (e.g., Lentulus Niger). Second, there's no attempt above to bother with chronology, which is actually a pretty useful framework for understanding history. When you pay attention to little things like chronology, the connection between Caesar's comet and the star of David (not mentioned until over 1000 years after Caesar's comet) becomes pretty tenuous. Finally, there is good medication for schizophrenia, but it requires regular use.
Attacking the Messenger and not the Message, or even bother discussing my points, that is ignorance, i provided the historical archaeology, and found "Patterns" in symbolism.
A statue of Caesar was placed in the temple of Quirinus with the inscription "To the Invincible God." [Divus Invictus].
http://www.unrv.com/fall-republic/caesar-the-god.php
Julius Caesar became the "God" of the Roman Empire, Augustus was "Son-of-God", thus "Julius Caesar" was "Father-God" on par with "Jupiter" (i believe the rendition of Jupiter derived from J-C), Julius Caesar was essentially "The Holy Father", The Father who art in heaven.
The cult of Sol Invictus was said to have been introduced to Rome in the first century AD , In the Julian reform of the Roman calendar,
whom introduced the Solar Calender, December 25, the eighth day after the Kalends of January (VIII Kal. Jan.), was recognized as the winter solstice.
The term "Invictus" , was a title of "Julius Caesar" (as above), so "Sol-Invictus" is really "Julius Caesar as the Sun-God". , after all, he did Introduce the Roman Solar Calender"
Yule was an indigenous midwinter (winter solstice) festival .. Yule (Yule-ius Caesar) ...
The Rays from the above statue, and many others, have the "7" Rays, July (after Julius) was the Month of Julius Caesar
and the "Rays " also possible stems from the Sidus-Iulium
In the Julian calendar calculations for 44 BCE, the year of Caesar
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Luke the Evangelist is known to have being a "Physician", in fact the name "Apollonius" is actually a popular name for a "Physician", as well i pointed out the connection with the name Paul and Apollo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollonius_(physician)
According to Roman Historical Records, this name pops up ?
Apollonius Tarensis (or Apollonius of Tarsus), was born at Tarsus in Cilicia, and lived perhaps in the 1st or 2nd century AD. His prescriptions are several times quoted by Galen.
Is this the historical "Paul of Tarsus" ?
Apollonius is a Greek name, the Latin Romanized version would be Apollos . Apollos over a period time as well as convenience morphed to Paulos. Paulos in its English format is Paul
Plutarch wrote many pieces of literature concerning Physcicians and Medicine, He also wrote Consolatio ad Apollonium http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Plutarch/Moralia/Consolatio_ad_Apollonium*.html
Luke was called "the beloved physician" by Paul (Colossians 4:14)
Physicians are people that Heal people right ? This is a trait of both Jesus/Apollonius, is this because they are Physicians ?
Did someone survive a crucifixion in the first century through the help of a Physician ? YES
The only person known in history to survive a Roman crucifixion is a friend whom Josephus saves after intervening with the Roman commander. Three are taken down but only one survives.
Josephus, Life, 75, p. 20 of Whiston
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There is a theory going around that "St.Luke" was actually "Plutarch" (Lucius Mestrius Plutarch), i decided to study this, and see what peoples opinions are.
Here is a brief comparison of Luke and Plutarch.
http://www.gottnotes.com/ArticlesLukeandPlutarch2.html
Below are my own Research
This is an interestting Oracle, Plutarch writes, in ("Obsolescence of Oracles") )
Plutarch writes that during the reign of Tiberius Caesar (14AD - 37AD) , an Egyptian pilot, Thamus, sailing to Italy, was called by a strange voice, which cried out to him: "Thamus, when you reach Palodes, tell them that the great god Pan is dead!" Following certain? portents, Thamus did as he was told; Plutarch writes that a great lamentation rose from the shore at this news.
The story has long been seen as a symbolic representation of the death of the Classical world and its replacement by Christianity -- a process which actually occurred, with much strife and agony, over the next few centuries.
The name "Thamus", is very similar to the name "Thomas", as well "Damis".
Damis was a student and lifelong companion of Apollonius of Tyana, the famous Neopythagorean philosopher and teacher who lived in the early 1st up to the early 2nd century CE, Damis admired Apollonius so much that he became his disciple, and kept a record of Apollonius' actions and sayings
Thomas was a student and lifelong companion of Jesus Christ .... Thomas admired Jesus so much that he became his disciple, and kept a record of Jesus' actions and sayings (Gospel of Thomas).
Are "Damis" and "Thomas" one and the same, or are they fictional Characters based upon "Plutarch's Oracle, would this ultimately conclude that "Apollonius of Tyana" is actually a persona of "Plutarch" ? Plutarch lived most of his life at Chaeronea, and was initiated into the mysteries of the Greek god Apollo, hence the name "Apollonius" ?
book of Acts (written by LUKE) mentions an "Apollos" at Ephesus with Paul, the name "Apollos" being an abbreviation of "Apollonius.
Apollonius is a Greek name, the Latin Romanized version would be Apollos . Apollos over a period time as well as convenience morphed to Paulos. Paulos in its English format is Paul ?
Apollonius as St Paul
http://nephiliman.com/apollonius_of_tyanna.htm
Plutarch = St Luke = Apollo/Apollonius = St Paul.
The Second Coincidence in Plutarch "Oracle" is concerning the god "Pan", in the New Testament, The location where "Jesus" told "Peter" to build his church, also the location where Saint Peter made his confession of Jesus as the Messiah and the "Son of the living God". was at " Caesarea Philippi" the location of the "Temple of Pan"
http://www.myspace.com/bertgary/blog/232892479
Pan, son of Hermes, was often depicted as having an exaggerated erect phallus
"Paul" is another way of saying "Pala" or "Phala", in other words,
phallus or "penis",this is the same with Apollo, Also the cross-piece on the phallic pillar forming our cross, are essential to life or life-production, and in every mythology that depicts "Resurrection" it is actually a poetic term of the "re-erection" of the penis", so when "Plutarch" writes of the God PAN (penis) being dead (flaccid), he is making a Satire that Jesus is a "Phallic God", along with Paul/Apollonius whom are nothing but fictional characters.
Josephus and Plutarch
In the works of "Josephus" he donates his entire works to a "Epaphrodites", researching this name through the Roman
Records, i come across "Marcus Mettius Epaphroditus", whom lived in Rome (like Josephus), and also owned a Library of Books, We have "Josephus" writing books of Jewish history in Rome, and we have "Epaphroditus" collecting books in Rome. obvious match ?
Here is interesting fact about "Marcus Mettius Epaphroditus", he was born in "CHAERONEA" and died aged 75. "Lucius Mestrius Plutarch" was also born in "CHAERONEA" and died aged 74.
From these names, we get "Marcus-Mettius-Lucius" very similar to "Mark-Matthew-Luke" ?
Greek Comparison of "Mettius and Mestrius"
??????? (gematria 925) (Mettius) (Latin-Matthew) (Mettius Epaphrodites)
???????? (gematria 925) (Mestrius) (Me(s)t®ius) (Mestrius Plutarch)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Mettius_Epaphroditus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutarch
This is a diagram of the Dot Connections
Flavius Josephus Ben Matthew
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(Donates his work to "Epaphrodites")
|(Provides historical framework for Gospels)
(Marcus Mettius Epaphroditus)
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Marcus Mettius Epaphroditus (Born. Chaeronea, died Aged 75)
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_Lucius Plutarch (Born. Chaeronea(Boetia), Died Aged 74)
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Lucius (Luke) the Evangelist (Lived and Died in Boetia)
|--Born. Antioch
|>> Ignatius Theophorus (Born. in Antioch)
|<Polycarp (Student of Ignatius)
"Polycarp and Plutarch same individual"
POLYCARPUS = PLUTARCHUS
Gametria Value of "Polycarpus" is [1051]
(from new testement)
(1051) (Phaulos) (Evil)
(1051) (Karpos) (Fruit)
yet another strange coincidence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutarch_of_Byzantium
Plutarch , served as Bishop of Byzantium for sixteen years (89 - 105) in succession to Polycarp.
Another Coincidence
http://carrington-arts.com/cliff/JOEGOS2.htm
Many scholars have noticed the similarities between the introductions of Josephus
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This is what was found in Judea
nails and whips were taken home by the superstitious locals for use as magic talismans with healing properties of some sort. The Jewish Rabbis permitted Jews to do this, even on the weekly Sabbath (The Mishnah, Shabbath 6.10)
The man
Plutarch invented Christianity [My Conspiracy]
in Templum Romae - Temple of Rome
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For some reason the Greek Letters come out like this ???.
I understand, for a foreigner acquire Roman Names in Rome.. once must be Sponsored, for example Plutarch acquired "Lucius Mestrius" from a Roman Sponsor.
The same would be true for Saul, to become Paulus, and Simon to become Peter, Jesus gave Simon, the Roman name of Petro [Petrius], coincidently, the Grandfather of Vespasian. Thus Jesus must have being a Roman.
Through reading Plutarch, I have found an Interesting Parallel.
Plutarch. Nicias. 29 Written 75 C.E.
few were stolen away and? sold into slavery, or succeeded in passing themselves off for serving men. These, when they were sold, were branded in the forehead with the mark of a horse
Revelation 13:15-18
It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
In Plutarch, those that where Sold, where Branding with the Mark of the Beast upon the forehead, but in Revelations, those that where Branded with the Mark of the Beast upon the Forehead, where Sold and Bought
So this famous Biblical Quote origins from Plutarch's Life of Niceas (legendary, died 413 B.C.E.) written around 75CE.