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Little busy here; thanks in advance to anyone who might take my place.
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3. 116 and 132/3 seems too far for him to be the same one
4. We must (?) conjecture that the 116 was another one so we must (?) put him in another Herodian line
Not too long. Often it took a lot of time for a consul to became a proconsul. But as the proconsulate of Asia was the high point of a senatorial career (together with Africa) it was not given to someone as the first province. He might have been proconsul somewhere else before 132.
I find the dates more interesting because in both 116 and 132/3 there were large Jewish rebellions under way.
Agreed .
Yes, as I have said, the coincidence for a consul of Jewish origin in 116 is amazing because of the Jewish revolt of the years 115-117 . Now You came with another one - A proconsulate in 132/3 - exacetly at the begining of the Bar Cochba revolt . Who knows what were the motives of Traianus and Hadrianus . A puzzle !
You assuming that the emperors saw Berenicianus as Jewish or something similar but I seriously doubt it.
Obviously no; any Roman would have seen him for what he was; a rich Roman citizen from a consular rank family. Period.
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I thought Caesar was famous for gratuitous overkill even by Roman standards, and that was the claimed point of contention with the senate
Well, there is no denying Caesar's gratuitous overkill but look at the source of the "claimed point of contention". The Senate, Marcus Porcius Cato and the rest. Should we not ingest the proverbial grain of salt? I'd like to know what made other Roman warlords such sweethearts. Caesar was not alone in practicing "gratuitous overkill".
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Salve, Lady Docta
Or do what others have done...copy it from an existing source (and cite the source)! (Note, Caesar, that most of my 'poetry' is not very good, doesn't rhyme well, and definitely is out of meter.)So, my current entry...it's the response to a happening in Ovid. Who am I?:
Iris came a'callin'
a'knockin' on Dad's door
splendid in her colors,
messenger at her core.
A note she brings from Juno
Visions we are to send,
Poor Alcyone, she will know
of her Ceyx and his end.
I take the shape of him
All pale and broken down
As she wept, on a whim
Off I skip out of town!
Morpheus.
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I see. So a narrow definition of a word is fine when it suits you?
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Continuing from the previous post...
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Well, a surprise !
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Salve, Amici
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Great work, Nephele! I love these lists that you've been compiling; they always offer nice leads to other discoveries. It's interesting to note, for example, that beyond the large number of consuls produced by this plebeian family is also a very large number of seminal laws, including the opening of the higher magistracies to plebs.
BTW, what is the relation between the name Licinus and Licinius? There was an L. Porcius Licinus, who passed the lex Porcia that protected citizens from degrading punishment like flogging and crucifixion when outside Rome (hence, the controlling law cited by Cicero in his rousing speech against Verres). Any connection between the two?
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I think, as with many Indo-European cultures, military valor was a central cultural trait, perhaps the central. For most Greek city-states, warrior arete was the cultural ideal. For the Celts, distributing conquered booty to their vassals is what kept chieftans in power and the people happy.
In the Roman case, military valor (virtus) translated into political capital. While the Romans had a sense of economic and strategic imperatives, they couldn't possibly apply it as scientifically as we do it today. More to the point, those were not always the chief considerations. Claudius invaded Britannia not because it was necessarily profitable from a long term perspective, but because he needed a perceived military victory to cement political legitimacy.
By Augustus' time, the cultural enshrinement of conquest turned into a belief in Rome's right and duty for universal conquest to 'civilize' the world. This is not to say they didn't have cost-benefit ratio considerations, but I don't think they were applied as consciously as this discussion implies.
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You are Phoebus Apollo, god of the quotidian solar journey.
Just to annoy you...
Strictly speaking, the answer is Helios.
Phoebus Apollo was the "Zeus child" that drove his charriot.
(Yes, I know. Both deities tended to fuse
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You got it, Asc!
MPC has already done the hard work.
Thanks in advance to anyone wno may be able to take my turn.
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My love lies musing beneath the bower
He scours the skies and learns the hour
He looks above and sees me near
Of all my loves he is most dear
So, who is speaking and who is 'He'?
The speaker, whose rosy fingers can be found tracing out the hour of daybreak, would be Aurora/Eos? And then, of all her loves, who is most dear? Three possible ones: Astraeus, lord of the dusk, with whom Aurora had the most children (for what that's worth!); tragic Tithonus, kidnapped by Aurora and granted an unnatural longevity from which he begged to be released (again: be careful what you wish for!); and Cephalus, with whom Aurora had a brief infatuation with terrible consequences for poor Cephalus. Of these, the one most likely to muse beneath Aurora's bower seems to be Tithonus.
Tough one, Augusta. Beautiful but tough -- like Livia I guess. Am I close?
After such a wonderful expositon, I only wish you were right, MPC! Let me give you a hint. He is scouring the sky to learn the hour but not during the day.
Is he Endymion?
Is she Selene?
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Salve, Lady A
OK - here I am - two people to identify:My love lies musing beneath the bower
He scours the skies and learns the hour
He looks above and sees me near
Of all my loves he is most dear
So, who is speaking and who is 'He'?
Is he Amphimaros?
Is his love Ourania?
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Salve, LW
I've found in various places that the Christians in Rome were rarely prosecuted for their religious affiliation, but that they were prosecuted at times because of crimes that they committed against the state in the name of Christianity.What were these crimes and how often did they tend to occur?
Can you identify some of those places?
(specially if they are accesible online).
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Salve, Lady N
The Servilia gens, while counted among the gentes minores and consisting of both patrician and plebeian families, nevertheless was one of the most prominent gentes of the Roman Republic in its production of magistrates.It is an intriguing fact that, even if the Gens Servilia persisted in the Imperial consular Fasti as late as the end of the II century AD, all the numerous republican surnames reported here by you (and presumably the respective families) seem to have disappeared, replaced by some new surnames:
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This book is part of a reading list by online Roman History group. They will be discussing the chapters 11 and on in January. They have already discussed chapters 1 through 10, so I have a lot of catch up to do. The first chapter is on the various sources used by Roman historians. So far so interesting.
This comprehensive text correlates a lot of archaeological evidence from Italy with the semi-legendary accounts of the classical sources; by the 11th chapter (Decemvirate) you would have covered some 300 years of Roman history, like the first three books of Livy. You may find some good complementary material here at UNRV (like the section on the XII tables). Any analysis or commentary posted by you would be welcomed. Good luck and merry Mithras!
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Not all roman conquests were made by the power of the gladius. The roman republic expanded often peacefully.
The clearest example it's the inheritance given to Rome of the kingdom of Pergamum that became Roman Asia, a large and rich province.
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BTW, Ben Johnson's is just the first half; the second is from Catullus.
The first half (Ben Jonson's) is easily recognizable by those who may have majored in English literature in college.
You are the goddess Artemis/Diana, of course.
-- Nephele
Of course, Lady N.
Your turn.
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Salve, Lady N
The Licinii were the most illustrious of Republican Rome's plebeian gentes, attaining the magisterial rank of consul in 364 BCE (with C. Licinius Stolo) when the patricians had formerly dominated this office.Were the emperors Valerian and Gallienus truly Licinii?
Was Egnatius their surname?
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Asclepiades, if you're going to use someone else's poetry, such as Ben Jonson or others, you really ought to credit that person as the author. That's not a "game rule" or anything -- it's just that credit should be given where credit is due.
-- Nephele
Sorry, I just wanted to play (sic):
"Think of a god, goddess, hero, nymph, etc. from classical legend and describe him or her in a rhyming couplet. Whoever guesses the riddle correctly, gets to pose the next rhyming riddle".
I just didn't pick the originality clause.
None of the rhyming couplets posted by me on this thread is from my own; I'm a lover, not a poet.
BTW, Ben Johnson's is just the first half; the second is from Catullus.
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"QUEEN and huntress, chaste and fair,
Now the sun is laid to sleep,
Seated in thy silver chair,
State in wonted manner keep:
Hesperus entreats thy light,
Goddess excellently bright.
Come then you lads and lasses, sing
In her honour now a hymn.
Daughter-goddess of mighty Jove
And lovely Queen Latona, who
By Delia placed an olive tree"
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It's no surprise that the Senate didn't want to take the risk.
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