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Do you know if there are any tour companies that just bring a traveller around to see Roman sites. I know the Smithsonian in America does archaeological vacation tours. I suppose I can Google this. Not ready to pack just yet but it's a thought. <g>
I don't know of any in the UK, or else I would be offering my services to them. Our Hadrian's Wall tour fits the bill, and I also do a couple of tours in the South of France (though they are hiking tours with Roman themes rather than specific Archaeological tours).
I see these covered walkways as just that - a practical measure rather than a place to sit and enjoy. However, you have to imagine that they would make the best of any natural daylight, and any covered area would offer protection from the sun and rain, if required. What country are we talking about?
Sorry in the delayed response--life's distractions. This "veranda" description is for a villa in Tuscany. I'm going off the idea that my family loves to be outside in the summer, especially in the evening. So, I want to describe some summer nights where the characters sit outside, taking their meal and enjoy the surroundings.
What do you mean by a walking tour with a Roman theme? Thanks again. You're always helpful.
Cinzia
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Thanks Clayton and Melavidius. Wow, that Fishbourne villa is huge.
"At night, they would sip sweet wine on the veranda overlooking the courtyard." Does this sound accurate?
That Chedworth villa looks like the owners could sit on a veranda or porch overlooking the grounds as well.
Do you know if there are any tour companies that just bring a traveller around to see Roman sites. I know the Smithsonian in America does archaeological vacation tours. I suppose I can Google this. Not ready to pack just yet but it's a thought. <g>
Thanks again,
Cinzia
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I'm wondering if Roman villas in the countryside could have a veranda? Does anyone know where I might find some pictures. I've seen blueprints of the inside of a villa or home, but I think it's not unreasonable to think that they may have had extended roofs and a place to sit outside in the front by an entrance.
Thanks,
Cinzia
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One last thought: <g>
I trust in the advice I've read here because I know less, but this quote still raises a question in my mind and the other I posted about Diogenites.
Nor is any thing done without such a signal; and in the morning the soldiery go every one to their centurions, and these centurions to their tribunes, to salute them." Josephus Wars of the Jews bk 5.2 'On the Roman army'.
Surely there is a difference in the Latin concept of signal and greeting? If one were writing a modern day account about military life would one necessarily describe the precise action of the salute? The writer might take it for granted that his/her audience knows what "salute" means.
Even when non military people greet one another often it is with a wave or a handshake (Asians nod their heads). In a disciplined setting with rank and authority, I would expect no less.
However, because of the lack of evidence, a debatable point. I will remain ambiguous as recommended.
Clayton, I did consider "bark" but Severus is talking to Aetius, so if he were an older centurion, perhaps, but he is a young aide and diplomatic spy. He's smooth. <g>
Thanks all.
Cinzia
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Guy: First let me say that the book is historical fiction, but in a true testimony to the past and the present-- it most likely will earn an X rating. <g> The heroine is not Juliana, but Arria is close and although she does not quiver for Severus, she does elsewhere with a Frank.
I think I will take the general consensus and use "Of course." Severus shouted with a vigorous salute as he braced his body for duty.
Does "shouted" sound too strong if you're right in front of someone? Perhaps, "Of course!" Severus replied ...
No one commented about the Salutatio of Diogmites that I posted earlier. Is this too obscure or solitary?
Thanks you guys for your insight. It really helps a lot. Feel free to share your preference if willing.
Cinzia
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In Katherine Scherman's The Birth of France: warriors, bishops and long-haired kings. She begins with Roman Gaul and moves to the Germans and Merovech (Meroveus) and the rise of the Merovingians to Childeric II King of all the Franks.
She ends the book with these lines:
"Looked at from a historical perspective the flowering of the monastic genius was only one aspect of the fluid evolution from the Gaul of the Roman Empire to the Gallo-Germanic empire of Charlemagne, out of which, other results was born the nation of France.
An unimpressive group of barbarians, inching over the northern borders of Gaul, had metamorphosed themselves into Europe
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Why not fudge the issue slightly Cinza? Say something like 'Having been given his orders, the tribune responded with a stiff formal salute, and departed.'
I like Maty's idea, but something about the wording doesn't seem right.
Try this wording, instead: "...the tribune responded with a firm military salute, ...."
guy also known as gaius
"Does a "firm military salute" conjure the modern salute in one's mind? Presently, I have
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Hi:
I've been following this and beside the Kirk Douglas movie are you talking about the mini series on Starz with the Australian actor playing Spartacus that recently passed away?
No, everyone in this particular thread is talking about the 2004 miniseries with the Croatian actor playing Spartacus that is still alive.
-- Nephele
Thanks, Nephele. I went to the link and based on the cover alone, it's a must see for me. <g>
Cinzia
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Also, if I'm understanding correctly, in the modern military the salute is a respectful greeting only when servicemen are wearing cover or carrying a gun and is not related to respecting a higher rank?
Well sort of, I guess I wasn't clear enough, I was merely posting some non-important addenda about modern saluting.
In the American army saluting takes place only outdoors the exceptions being inside with headgear/weapon or (formally) reporting to a superior.
Secondly it is a respectful greeting but required to be given from lower to higher rank and to be returned by the senior officer receiving it.
I've taken the following from my copy of Sara Phang's 2008 sociological study of the Roman army Roman Military Service; Ideologies of Discipline in the Late Republic and Early Principate.
Did the soldiers greet their of?cers with the
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Hi:
I've been following this and beside the Kirk Douglas movie are you talking about the mini series on Starz with the Australian actor playing Spartacus that recently passed away?
Also, I read in a history book that Spartacus' body was never found. Anyone know more about this?
Cinzia
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In a fast search I came across this as well.
"An opposite depiction is the salutatio of a diogmites, a military police officer, who raises his right arm to greet his commander during his adventus on a relief from 2nd-century"
I've included the footnote:
Probably as acclamatio, note palm is perpendicular to the ground and thumb is sticking up cf. Graham Sumner, Roman military clothing: 100 BC-AD 200, Oxford 2002, p.47 pl.G3 (Diogmitoi [sic! Correct plural: diogmitai]).
This particular action seems similar to the form depicted in the arena when the audience votes to let a gladiator live or die. Is this another can of worms? lol
Also, if I'm understanding correctly, in the modern military the salute is a respectful greeting only when servicemen are wearing cover or carrying a gun and is not related to respecting a higher rank?
My tribune has been given an order by the commander (Master of the Soldiers Aetius) and is departing Aetius' presence, I thought a salute might be a physical action that brings the dynamic between them to a close and allows for an exit that feels military. Some of you may know how I fear the history police. Will I get a ticket? <g>
Cinzia
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I've read that there is no conclusive evidence that soldiers saluted their superiors in the Roman army. I did read that there is a few instances of mention though in the ancient literature, but mostly connected with giving an oath or pledging.
I want my soldier to acknowledge his commander in my story. I find it difficult to believe that they had no form of respectful greeting for a superior officer, especially as it seems a custom that has prevailed with modern armies. Is it possible, they bowed as in Medieval times?
Any opinions?
Cinzia
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Hi all:
I know someone addressed this recently (probably in Academia) but I can't remember where exactly, but is the term for a cavalryman(1) an "equite"? I thought I saw someone post that it was "equitus". I've seen "equitates" for cavalrymen.
Thanks,
Cinzia
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If you've been keeping up with my posts in the main Humanitas forum then you know by now that I'm in the middle of planning a Roman project based unit for my classes.
As part of the political sphere of the project I'm going to allow them the option of paying off their underclass followers to vandalize a public space with graffiti demeaning a rival politician. In the classroom I'll actually have a piece of chart paper designated as each group's public wall space, and when students buy the graffiti option they'll get to personally vandalize their chosen rival's space. Anyhow, now that I've explained the context, here are the things I need translated into Latin, which I hope are fairly straight forward. If you need to change the wording slightly to make it less of a hassle, by all means feel free:
1. ______________ is corrupt
2. Do not vote for ______________
3. ______________ is a dog
4. ______________ is a womanizer (or whatever term the Romans would have used)
5. ______________ is a coward
6. ______________ has angered the gods
7. ______________ is a loser
8. No one should trust ___________
9. Rome does not need _____________
10. Forget about _______________
11. _____________ is a traitor
12. May _____________ be cursed
13. Beware of ________________
14. _________________ wants to be a king
15. ________________ will destroy the Republic
16. ________________ is cruel to his servants
17. ________________ will lead us to ruin
18. Vote for _______________ instead of _______________
19. Supporters of _______________ are criminals
20. ________________ betrays our traditions
Vote for _____________________ as Consul (that one will go on top of each group's chart paper to be vandalized)
I realize that that is lot to ask for just as a favor, but if any person will take their time to do this for me I would be happy to compensate you in Itunes credit or Amazon or Ebay credit or something like that.
I just saw this but wanted to bring your attention to the book: How to Insult, Abuse & Insinuate in Classical Latin. I do not know Latin but I also need words from time to time for the book I'm writing. I know some Latin teachers and I was directed to this book, which I own.
Cinzia
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Thanks guys for your responses. I might move this question to the Latin thread.
Cinzia
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Viggen:
If you worked in a stone quarry and ate one meal a day, you might have a "rockin" 6 pack too! <g> Interesting topic.
Cinzia
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Hi all:
I know someone addressed this recently (probably in Academia) but I can't remember where exactly, but is the term for a cavalryman an "equite"? I thought I saw someone post that it was equitus.
Thanks,
Cinzia
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I don't recall the year ever being mentioned in a Falco novel (help me out here, Crispina!) I think the nearest clue was 'during the time Vespasian was Emperor'. Though Wikipedia states "Falco was born on 20 or 21 March 41 AD" and references the first novel 'The Silver Pigs'. I don't recall it being mentioned, and no longer have the book.
Hi:
In Steven Saylor's first novel ROMAN BLOOD the first chapter mentions Cicero (a character in the novel) to place us, but in the front of the book after the contents page is a map of Rome titled: ROME At the time of Sulla's Dictatorship, 80 B.C.
I have Silver Pigs and will look to see if I can find it.
Cinzia
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To be honest with you (the OP), as someone who has read many times works from the actual Roman era, aside from the archaic 18th century English I occasionally had to deal with, it was a total pain to try to calculate what year the author was talking about when I needed it either for research or something that was very interesting. Although, from the suggestions I've seen, I agree that using the name of the proconsul in the year that he was in office is best (proconsuls lasted only 1 year from roughly the summer to the next spring, and Olympiads were rarely used, not to mention AUC and although Diocletian's reckoning was used, it will downright confuse everyone), keep in mind that many of your readers won't know who you're talking about (not to mention some won't even know what a proconsul is), so try to avoid as many references in the characters' mouths about dates as you can. And you can always, if you don't mind, have the characters use AD, despite its invention in the 6th century. After all, everyone knows your novel isn't meant to be a history book, and the only need for meticulous accuracy would be if you're trying to fool the scholarly community that this work actually comes from that time (which you aren't
).Thank you for the suggestions, much appreciated. My characters mention only Attila, Valentinian and a few others that are specific to this time period. I have used chapter subtitles that mention the time of year and year and decided to go with Augustus, A.D. 450 etc. I agree with you, this is fiction and I have noticed through my writing group that even three Roman names together confound some. <g> Consequently, I think keeping the time marker closer to a modern context will be a benefit for the reader. This is a plot driven book in a historical setting. However, I want to immerse the reader into the historical time period as well and strive for a simple accuracy.
Cinzia
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Cinzia8, looking forward to your book:)
Thanks Artimi. It's a nice thing for you to say.
Have a wonderful week.
Cinzia
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You know me from the Ancient History Forum as Garic (my male alter ego and the hero of my novel<g>).
I didn't realise you had a novel, Cinzia. Was that me just being slow on the uptake, or have you been modest?
You're hardly slow, Clayton.<g> I do have an unpublished novel in it's final revision. It's a 5th century epic tale, but a bit too epic (175,000 words) for most agents, so, I went back in and changed it from multiple pov (which I happen to love for purposes of sub-plot and characterization, but the word is that readers don't like long books-hmm. I guess George R.R. Martin and more than a few others didn't get that memo) to 3rd person limited pov.
I have 2 chapters left and I'm at 145K. I was hoping to get it to 145K, but we'll see. I have the battle at Catalaunum, the climax and resolution to get through. <sigh> Anyway, this forum has helped a woman who has never wielded a sword and never fought a battle (other than a cat fight in high school-meow-<g>) with details, ideas, great opinions and knowledge. And when this book makes it to print, I promise, you all will know.
Cinzia
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Thank you, Gaius, Neil, and Macro, for the warm welcome! I've been lurking about the forums, getting a feel for the place, for the past couple of days. It is impressive! VERY glad to be here!
Neil, I do hope you enjoy the books when you read them! I'd urge you to start with Memnon; it's my personal favorite, followed closely by The Lion of Cairo. I love Men of Bronze as my first-born, but it very much reads like a first book, warts and all.
Macro, it is surreal, interacting with authors I know and love. My penultimate moment was getting a signed copy of The War of Art from Pressfield, and his note to me in the envelope made mention of Memnon . . . I was pinching myself for a week
Best,
Scott
Scott:
I wanted to say hello. You know me from the Ancient History Forum as Garic (my male alter ego and the hero of my novel<g>). We're also friends on Facebook. I love this forum. I'm sure you will too. Cinzia is Cynthia in Italian and my nickname. Welcome.
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This is the only coin minted in Rome to bear the true year date.
http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=1032
-. Aureus (Gold, 7.33 g 6), Rome, April, 121. IMP CAES HADRIANVS AVG COS III Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust of Hadrian to right. Rev. ANN.DCCC.LXXIIII NAT VRB.P.CIR CON. The Genius of the Circus reclining left, nude to the waist and with his head turned back to right, holding chariot wheel on his right knee with his right hand and with his left arm wrapped around three obelisks on a low base (the Spina of the Circus Maximus
...it also bears the only true year date ever to appear on a coin struck in the mint of Rome in ancient times (see J.O. Sweeny & R. Turfboer, Tempus in Nummis. I [n.p., 1992], pp. 79-81). The date is the year 874, identified on the coin as being anno natali urbis (= from the year of the birth of the city), more commonly termed by historians and scholars ab urbe condita (= from the founding of the city), and commonly used in historical texts under the abbreviation AUC.guy also known as gaius
Gaius:
What a beautiful coin!! The dating system here seems simple enough and makes sense (from the year of the birth of the city). Thanks for posting this.
Cinzia
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The use of "Fire!" is derived from the use gunpowder weapons in the english language. For that reason, "Shoot!" is more appropriate, but I doubt many people reading informally would worry themselves of a minor detail, since the use of both words from our perspective is identical.
Another phrase used in english with older connotations would be "Loose!" (since the archer lets go of an arrow and therefore 'loosens' his grip).
Thanks, Caldrail. This helps.
Cinzia
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Thanks Maty. Definitely something to keep in mind. I'm thinking a villa in Tuscany, but there's no reason why they can't be on a balcony as well.
Cinzia