spittle 2 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 On an episode of season 1 Vorenus says, of Mark Antony: "He negotiates with a whore and a dwarf at his side. The Gracchi, Marius or Cincinnatus would not disgrace themselves so..." (Words to that effect). We could never figure out why the script writers had included the use of Cincinnatus, as he was a heroic character. Could it be a mistake in that Saturninus would better fit the discription? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Julia C 0 Report post Posted February 5, 2007 Saturninus is hardly a "noble" sort of demagogue, if there is such a thing, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Primus Pilus 10 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 On an episode of season 1 Vorenus says, of Mark Antony: "He negotiates with a whore and a dwarf at his side. The Gracchi, Marius or Cincinnatus would not disgrace themselves so..." (Words to that effect). We could never figure out why the script writers had included the use of Cincinnatus, as he was a heroic character. Could it be a mistake in that Saturninus would better fit the discription? I'd rather that Cincinnatus is the only one who truly fits as an opposite of Antony. Both the Gracchi and Marius were not opposed to the use of whomever and whatever was available to reach their ends. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spittle 2 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 My point is that Cincinnatus had nothing in common with perceptions of the Gracchi or Marius whereas Saturninus did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Primus Pilus 10 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 My point is that Cincinnatus had nothing in common with perceptions of the Gracchi or Marius whereas Saturninus did. Ahh yes, I see your point, but Vorenus was attempting to relate people whose dignity was far above that of Antony. Rather than the Gracchi and Marius, I might have substituted a Scipio Africanus and perhaps Furius Camillus (or something to that effect). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bryaxis Hecatee 16 Report post Posted February 6, 2007 Would it not have been Cinna instead of Cincinatus ? It would suit better as he was a noble demagogue which would chronologically fall in line with the two others, coming as he does after the rise of Marius... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jordon Harriman 0 Report post Posted February 7, 2007 I think all he was saying was that Cincinnatus, the Grachi, and Marius would not negotiate or govern with a whore and a dwarf by their side - that they had dignity and respect for the office. Their particular politics were beside his point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spittle 2 Report post Posted February 7, 2007 Actually, Jordan, the opposite. Vorenus was saying that Marius, tjhe Gracchi and Cincinnatus were bad but Antony was worse. I wish I could find the original thread. I wondered if Cinna had been meant but had some convincing responses to eliminate the possibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites