Gaius Paulinus Maximus
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The significant problems we have cannot be solved at the same level of thinking with which we created them. - Albert Einstein
Here's some more gem's from old brain box
Not everything that counts can be counted and not everything that can be counted counts
I am neither especially clever or especially gifted. I am only very, very, curious.
A person who never made a mistake never tried anything new.
Albert Einstien
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Here's a modern picture of a true Roman using the salute
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/4163979.stm
He got into quite a bit of trouble after this incident and may have even been banned for a number of games
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While browsing through Pertinax's Hbo Rome gallery i came across this picture
http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?act=mo...si&img=1272
In the background of this scene is a statue of a horse, now i'm just wondering if this is the very charger that Suetonius speaks of in 'The Twelve Caesars' and was also brought up in a thread not so long back in which we came to the conclusion that this horse probably never existed and was just part of Suetonius' story telling?
Here's the thread http://www.unrv.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=4751
What do you think?
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Ah, but, Paulinus - we have Ken Bates in common. The best of luck with him!
(And it's nice to meet you)
Haha how could i have forgotten about dear old Santa Claus, :wheelchair:
He came in and saved the club from liquidation, so as far as i'm concerned he's in my good books...................... for now!
Oh and by the way it's very nice to meet you too
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I like Dio Cassus's theory that PP posted which points the finger at Cicero and Lucullus.
Cicero as we all know was a very intelligent and at times clandestine man, the plot against Pompey would certainly have done his own political ambitions no harm at all.
I think you're misunderstanding the events completely. There was no plot to kill Pompey. The "plot" was a complete (and laughably absurd) fabrication. For example, Vettius claimed that to kill Pompey, he was given a dagger by Bibulus, as if Vettius couldn't have found one on his own without the consul's supplying him one! Moreover, Bibulus had earlier saved Pompey from an attack by assassins, for which Pompey had thanked him.
The outstanding questions are: who invented this fabrication? who could have benefitted from it? and why was the fabrication put forward when it was?
For what it's worth, there have been two scholarly articles on this topic:
McDermott, W. C. (1949). Vettius Ille, Illne Noster Index. Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association, 80, 351-367.
Allen, W. (1950). The "Vettius Affair" once more. Transactions and Proceedings of the American Philological Association, 81, 153-163.
(If you PM me, I'd be happy to send you a copy of each.)
You can judge the evidence for yourself, but both articles take Caesar to be complicit in the affair, either as an accessory after the fact (e.g., by twisting Vettius' arm to drop the charge against young Brutus) or as the author of the witch hunt itself. The authors also take Cicero's chronology to be the most reliable of the ancient sources (which is unsurprising, since it was the only one that provided contemporary testimonia).
Dio's account of the affair, by the way, suffers from a confused chronology on many points, including when the consulur comitia took place and when Cicero defended Gaius Antonius.
Thanks for the copy of the "Vettius Affair" , it's a very interesting read and i now see the whole episode in a different light.
The way i now see it is that Caesar was fearful that Pompey was growing dis-illusioned with the triumvirate and swaying back towards the optimates, and by creating the plot on Pompeys' life Caesar hoped that Pompey would realise he was safer and better of sticking within the triumvirate.
There seems to be too many threats against Pompey to be coincidental, i see no reason why, given the Roman habit for political violence in those years, the great general might not have been capable of being influenced by fear of assassins. And Caesar was just the man to understand and to work on another mans weakness.At this time in 59 Caesar, if my suggestion is correct, did not make Pompey fearful of Cicero personally. The passage in Cicero's letters after the Vettius affair shows that Pompey met with Cicero, obviously did not fear him, and was even carefiul to proclaim his regard for Cicero. What Caesar had accomplished by this exceedingly devious maneuver and among various other purposes was to warn Pompey away from the Optimates in general and to show Pompey, even though he was physically ill because he was so sick of the cabal that he could not leave it. -
Man U are going to CREAM Arsenal on Sunday....The league is already ours!
I am expecting the Premiership race to be a little closer this year, but still not as close as the pundits are predicting. I expect a third title, by which time, there won't be a single neutral out there who'll love us. It will make us have so much in common with Leeds!
Being an avid hater of Man U, i so much enjoy it when someone (mentioning no names
) ends up with egg on thier face 
Augusta, at this particular moment in time Chelsea have absolutely nothing in common with Leeds, you have billions in the bank....... we have pennys, you have a world class manager......... we have Kevin Blackwell, you have superstar players.........we have sunday league players, you get full houses........... we cant even give tickets away and to cap it all of we're already in a relegation battle at the bottom of the championship but i wouldn't change it for the world
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There is a lot of evidence to back this theory and I for one believe Alexander was assassinated by his own retinue. Anyone else think so?
I too think there's quite a bit of truth in this theory, Alexander was forgetting his heritage, where he came from and his close circle of friends could probably see him turning into a mad power hungry tyrant and they realised they had to stop him before he destroyed the world that they knew and loved.
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I like Dio Cassus's theory that PP posted which points the finger at Cicero and Lucullus.
Cicero as we all know was a very intelligent and at times clandestine man, the plot against Pompey would certainly have done his own political ambitions no harm at all.
Lucullus could well still have been holding a grudge against Pompey who was an old political enemy of his, and he may still have been bitter about what happened in Armenia in 68bc when pompey was one of the main instigators (from afar) of the mutiny that occur in his army which subsequently led to Pompey taking over his command which i'm sure would have been a major embarrasment to Lucullus.
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They're pretty much the kind of answers i expected, i just found it a bit strange that the horse was mentioned but not even named, and i was sure that if Caesar had have had such an 'amazing' horse i would have at least heard mention of it before.
And yes PC you are right, Suetonius is a great storyteller!
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Don't be afraid to branch out, NH. When I first came to the site two years ago, my primary interest was in the Roman paganism of the Augustan era. Since then, thanks to interesting conversations with my colleagues and some of their book reviews, I've broadened my research and have become much more well-rounded.
There are those who seem to see this site as as a debating club, but I've always looked upon it as a learning experience. It is with the sentiments of the latter option I encourage you to poke around into discussions.
I totally agree Ursus, in the short time that i've been a member in this forum i've learnt a hell of a lot more on the roman culture, military, goverment etc, than i would have thought possible and you can also have a laugh whilst doing so
Go on NH poke away
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Sounds pretty good
I'll definately be tuning in for that
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I seem to recall he had a connection to York. Was he made Emperor whilst in York?? Whats the link? If any...
Yes it's true, Constantine was proclaimed emperor in Eboracum (York). His father Constantius fell sick in July 306 and the troops loyal to his memory immediatley proclaimed Constantine an Augustus
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This a bit of an odd one but.......
I've recently been reading The Twelve Caesars by Suetonius and there's a small paragraph in the section of the book about Caesar which talks of a horse that Caesar himself reared and was supposedly an extraordinary animal.
61. This charger of his, an exrtaordinary animal with feet that looked almost human - each of its hooves were cloven in five parts, resembling human toes - had been foaled on his private estate. When the soothsayers pronounced that its master would one day rule the world, Caesar carefully reared, and was the first to ride, the beast; nor would it allow anyone else to do so. Eventually he raised a statue to it before the Temple of Mother Venus.
Does anyone have anymore info on this horse (if it existed at all?), a name, a picture of the statue, anything along those lines. Was it in the same league as Alexanders' horse, Bucephalus??
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My friend Billys' got a 10ft willy
And he showed it to the girl next door
She thought it was a snake
So she hit it with a rake
And now it's only 4ft 4
Nothing at all to do with the thread but i think it's pretty good
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Isn't it an American who owns Man U?
I thought it was Rupert Murdoch, the Aussie media emperor businessdude?
It's the family that owns the Tampa Bay Bucaneers that are the major shareholders at Man U, think they're called the Glaziers, think the head guy is Malcom Glazier??
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Gaius Paulinus Maximus, I automatically changed the "y" in your name to an "i" to conform to the ancient Roman alphabet.
As you can see by the link, you have quite a number of memorable ancestors among the Flavii. Your cognomen of "Niger" suggests that your particular branch of the Flavian gens may comprise the "black" sheep of the family.
(iviaangnlfeer -en +us)
-- Nepilla
A member of the Flavii dynasty, i'm truly honoured, or at least i was until you threw a spanner in the works with the "Niger" thing
just my luck!I think the black sheep of the family thing probably came from my playboy life style anyway
Haha great fun Nepilla, cheers
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Couldnt you drag the Wife along, its not a long trip?
Haha
not a chance in hell, i think she'd rather stick a fork in her eye than tag along on this, unless we were checking out all the clothes shops :frusty: Who knows Pertinax, by March next year i might have even figured out how to do the 'links' properly
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ivyaangnlfeer
sorry, no middle name for you to work with
goodluck
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Gentlemen , I have been given a timely reminder about our intended powwow. Please give consideration to the following possible dates 1. March 24/25 2007 2.March 31/1 April 2007 or 3.April 14/15 2007 for a meeting in York. The "missing" weekend is of course Easter .
Let us try and achieve some sort of rough consensus.Your thoughts please.
The first date is a big
as it's my birthday on the 27th so i will probably be busy that week-endThe third date you suggested is the wife's birthday so again a
So the only one i could possibly make would be March 31/1 April
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There's an illustration of it in the book 'The Roman Army from Hadrian to Constantine' by Michael Simkins, it's a reconstruction as the one in the museum is in extremly poor quality (it had been broken in half) -
Here is a picture of the sword, have archaeologists found other similar type of swords since the book's publication in 1979?
Bangor Museum 'Pompeii' Gladius
Note the very short handle...Simkins says it is very difficult to handle and even more difficult to weild in battle.
I've found another site on the Pompeii Gladius, it has quite a bit of information on the sword as well as the opportunity to buy an imitation for a measly $600!!!
http://www.albion-swords.com/swords/albion...man-pompeii.htm
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I went for the lighthouse of Alexandria
It must have been a pretty impressive sight to see when sailing in to the Alexandrian harbour
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There was nothing wrong with the Bellamy salute until Hitler used it. I hate it when evil people take perfectly good symbols and damn them so nobody can ever use them again.
I think they are holding their hands out to grab something. Thats what it looks like in Maximus' Column pic.
I think it was Benito Mussolini who first turned the salute into a symbol of fascism. He was the fascist dictator of Italy from 1922 - 1943 and was an alley of Adolf Hitler whom he greatly influenced
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Who among the Caesars can say they were victorious in Hispania, Britannia, Germania, Gaul, Italia, Africa, Aegyptus, Asia Provincia, Pontus and Macedonia?
Aurelian the Hammer--and he actually defeated enemies of Rome rather than the senate and people of Rome itself. To my mind, it's self-evidently anti-Roman to proclaim the defeat of Romans more splendid than the defeat of lunatic potentates like Zenobia, Queen of the East.
Wasn't Aurelian known as 'hand on hilt' (manu ad ferrum)
Can't say i've heard of the Hammer before
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The great Oath of the Horatii by David portrays what is commonly called the "Roman salute," but which otherwise sends shivers down one's spine as redolent of the seig-heiling robots that followed Hitler.
What is the evidence that the Romans really used this salute? I've read the salute is to be found on the column of Trajan, but I don't see it anywhere (even here).
Is the "Roman salute" really Roman or is it simply the invention of the neo-classical admirers of Rome?
(BTW, this image of the old Bellamy salute is really scary.)
Think i may have found the salute on Trajans column here
I think the picture is by no means evidence of the 'roman salute' they could just be holding their hands up wanting to speak???????
In my opinion the idea of the 'salute' is probably like you say an invention by early artists and film makers to give the scene a bit more of a grandiose effect...... the WOW factor
A very interesting question though...
Manuel II Paleologos
in Postilla Historia Romanorum
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Haha nice clip Cato
"I just banged you sister".................. curse you Paleologos!!!