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    First Roman Greek Engagement?

    If intermarriage was not common,what happened to the Samnites and these Greeks? Who are they today?
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    First Roman Greek Engagement?

    How much did the Romans and the Samnites assimilate with the Greeks ? Was there more Greek/Roman assimilaton and intermarriage,or more Samnite/Greek assimilation and intermarriage ?
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    Roman Slaves

    How many slaves were taken from Sicily and brought to Italy's South,that eventually mixed with those Southern Italians already there? Likewise,how many Semitic peoples ,North Africans,Greeks,Black Africans,and various Asians such as Turks,Indians,etc.,were brought to Italy's South ,that later on would mix with the Southern Italians who already lived there?
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    The Ligurians

    Didn't the Sicani in Sicily,and perhaps the Siculi also descend from the Ligurians?
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    The Taboo Roots Of Imperial Collapse

    Has anybody here of Italian descent ever submitted DNA for testing of ethnicity,such as the free testing being offered by National Geographic Magazine,in their study of eugenics? Or, perhaps somebody has known someone of Italian descent who has participated in testing their DNA. Maybe someone has seen some results of DNA tests done on Italians. For what its worth Gary on Howard Stern stated one time that his DNA tests showed that he had a small percentage of East Indian in his DNA.
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    Iberians, Celts, And Visigoths

    Have vread that Iberians migrated to Corsica,Sardinia,and Sicily. Did they at all migrate into the Italian peninsula?
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    Passive Periphrastic

    Its similar to the way the gerund is formed in Spanish Hablar:to speak Hablando:speaking Comer:toeat Comiendo: eating Vivir:to live Viviendo:living
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    Family Motto

    I agree with an earlier translation: Love of the fatherland leads. Ducit: third person singular:he,she,or it leads (in this case love is the "it",and the verb ducit agrees with the subject ,amor amor: nominative singular= subject in the sentence patriae: genetive singular denoting possession,and is used with the noun(and subject) amor=of the fatherland Thus "amor patriae" means "love of the fatherland" Finally Ducit amor patriae.= Love of the fatherland leads.
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    The Origin Of The Berbers ?

    Would Libya's present leader Khadafi be someone who looks like he is from Berber or Numidian descent?Asking the question because one time he was quoted as saying something to effect of Libyans not being Arabs but rather of African descent. How different in appearance were the ancient inhabitants of Rome from the Berbers? Finally if not Berbers then what would the ancient Eqyptians have been considered.Could they have possibly Arabs or Greeks ? Were Cretens descended from the Greeks?
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    Tyrants Of Sicily

    Not sure if Frederick II was a tyrant or not,and he was ruling Sicilyafter the Roman Empire. I believe he ruled the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies,which was Sicily and Southern Italy,which is today's Southern Italy or Mezzogiorno,as it is called. Frederick II exiled a large number(maybe 40,000 or more,but the number is uncertain to me).They were supposedly the worst of the Sicilians in Frederick 11's view. He sent them to Bari in Southeast Italy ,in the region of today's Apulia. My question is were they criminals,or rebels against his rule? Or were they perhaps exiled because they were possibly arabs left over from Saracen rule of Sicily and parts of South Italy?
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    Tyrants Of Sicily

    What were the populations of some of the Sicilian towns mentioned above? How many Carthaginians or other conquerors did it take to take over these ancient towns?
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    Roman Slaves

    Yes. I believe that is it. Perhaps my recollection of the year that I read was innacurate. Maybe it was 1918.
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    Roman Slaves

    Don't know who wrote the "Dictionary of Races and Peoples" but it was in the format of an ecoyclopedia. If you look up any term that dealt with such things as race,ethnicity, or religion, the "dictionary" would break it down. For example if you look up Italian,it would first tell you that Italy is a political entity forming a country. At this point it would describe the people in Italy. If you looked up Puert Rican,it would give a breakdown of the different races and ethnic groups to which Puerto Ricans belong. It went on to say that Italy's "racial " characteristics were broadly broken down into North Italian and South Italian. At its base the race of Southern Italy was said to be related to the race of Southern Spain and North Africa,such as the Berbers. This occured according to the reseaech because at one time North Africa ,Sicily,Malta,and Italy formed one strip og land,as did Spain and North Africa. They felt people were more easily able to flow back and forth from North Africa to Southern Italy than from more northern parts of Europe into Italy,because of Italy's mountainous terrain forming a big barrier with Northern Europe. This book was one of a series of publications that seemed to come out each year(once saw a bunch of different yearly editions, that were offered by a used book store. Agree that this particular year was meant to in part stereotype Southern Italians. While it described North Italians with nothing negative,South Italians were considered "excitable,superstitious,prone to gambling, kidnapping,and violence", and often members of the mafia groups from Sicily,or the Camorra in Campania,as well as Calabrian groups. Actually,outside of South Italians,who were probably coming to America in large numbers at that time,there was nothing negative in the descriptions of any other groups,with the exception perhaps of some Eastern Europeans.
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    Roman Slaves

    Don't ask me "WHY?", but the Dictionary of Races and Peoples, which is connected to the Bureau of Immigration,has Italians divided into two races: South Italian,a Mediterranean race at its base,and North Italian,which is ,if I remember,an Alpine race,BUT GENOESE are classified as South Italian,although Genoa is in Italy's North geographically. My guess for the loggic of this is that the authors consider Genoese to be Ligurians,who might be the same Iberic racial type that was found and that they consider to be the base race in the South of Italy,Spain,Sardinia and Sicily,and North Africa.
  15. Besides having established a colony in Sicily,what other Phoenician or other Semitic peoples may have settled in Italy south of Rome, by the time,or around the time they colonized in Sicily? Since there were Phoenician and perhaps other Semitic sea people,why would they not take the opportunity to do in Southern Italy ,what they did in Sicily,or Carthage for that matter? While Hannibal's Carthaginians were in Italy,was there much mixing of their blood with the different Italians in Italy's South?
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    Samnium

    Were the Samnites a Latin people like the Romans? Have read that Samnites gave the Romans all they could handle in battle. However Rome eventually beat them. What made Samnites any tougher to beat for the Romans,than any other people? How did Rome finally beat them? Were Saminites and others in Campania the best gladiators? If so,why is that? Who would be the present day descendents of the Samnites?
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    Definition Of Tribe

    Was a tribe one big extended family? What exactly is a tribe? Who were the components that made up a tribe? What separated tribes from being defined as a nation? What were some of the early tribes that Rome conquered? Were Sabines,Samnites,tribes or nations? Wjat about Siculi and Sicani/ Were they tribes?What other tribes and "nations were there in the early days of Italy,inccluding Sicily? What groups of tribes were related by blood to one another ?
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    Definition Of Tribe

    Trying to figure ot the possibility of a tribe of one group of Italians being related to another tribe in a distant part of Italy,especially if the word tribe is used to mean a large extended family. Lots of times a whole bunch of Italian immigrants from the same village will move to the same neighborhood in an American city.Many of these villages consisted of families that had a lot of intermarrige where often relatives married each other. In their new Italian city,they might not feel close to immigrants from another Italian village,but in reality what possibility is there that somehow they may have at one time been split off from the same original tribe? For example,I belive it was Frederick II that exiled a bunch of Sicilians that he didn't feel he could control to the area of Bari,on Italy's Adriatic side. So possibly many people from Bari, would have a large number of blood relations in Sicily.
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    Roman Slaves

    No hidden agenda on my part. Just curious first of all, to find out who exactly were the very ,very,first people in Italy's south,and why there are so many people who insist that Sicilians are not the same as the rest of the Italians. This latter point never made sense to me, because to begin with, so many people from the mainland had migrated to the island at one time or another and vice versa. And because every type of people that went through one ,seemed to go through the other. As far as the web site goes,it was found while rearching Italian people,just going from one place to the other.Personally ,I could hardly tell anything by any of the pictures,including which type, I myself,would be. But found the section about the DNA informative and interesting,especially given what many people,including many Italians seem to believe.
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    Roman Slaves

    Pentathagus,I have read the information on the Best Of Sicily website.Being South Italian, including some Sicilian myself,the personal experiences have been such that I still can't look at an Italian and know that his or her family was from Sicily. Too many blonde and blue eyed Sicilians,and dark complexioned people from closer to Rome,make identification by mainland or island impossible. If I had to say who were the most consistantly darkest Italians,from my experience,it would be those from the area near Bari. Anyway there is a lot less mixing of non white races in present day Italians that people think,which makes it that much more bewildering from where the darker ones inherit their features. One site that I found interesting,that you also may like is: racial reality.shorturl.com. or possibly racial reality/shorturl.com. If these sites are incorrecet,I will get back and post the correct one later.
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    Roman Slaves

    One thing I'd like to know is why people say Sicilians are racially different or from different ancestry than mainland Italians.It seems like both the island and mainland have all mixed with the exact same people,at one time or another.
  22. I would think that there was a mixing of Hannibal's army with Italians. But it would depend on how long they there,and depending on whether this would be considered acceptable practice. For example,as of now we don't hear about American soldiers mixing with Iraqi women.Who exactly did Hannibal use in his army?
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    Ancient Southern Italy

    Thank you very much Pantagathus. THat was the precise information that I was actually looking for on the other forum.
  24. Before the Greeks and the Indoeuropean pople came to Southern Italy,what people were already there? Who were the first people in the part of Italy south of Rome? What would these people have looked like?
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    Early Italian Appearance

    What races did the tribes of Southern Italy,from Rome and Etruria, through Sicily belong to? What did the FIRST people living in Italy's south look like? In other words,what people in today's times,would the earliest Italians look like. If anyone knows and/or uses the names or terms,such a words like "Mediterranean race","Indo Europeans","Greeks","Siculi","Sicani","Elami",,"Italics", "Etrurians" or "Etruscans","Phoenicians", "Semitic","Hamitic","Alpine","Atlanto Mediterranean","Samnites","Oscans", "Cretens",etc.,please elaborate and if you know,describe what they actually looked like and/or give thenames of the present day races,ethnic groups,etc.,that they most resemble or who they are most related to. Thank you in advance for any information on this topic that you might have to offer.
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