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True, but its the old question/argument. Where is the money going that IS raised?
So what you're implying is that the money coming from the Colosseum/forum/Domus Aurea tickets -alone- should be sufficient to preserve and maintain the artistic and historical heritage of Roma? Roma is not just the Palatine, it is also Middle Ages, Rinascimento, Barocco, and so on. Let alone museums, art galleries and such. The entrance to the Pantheon is free and so the one to the forum-related museums and a thousand other cultural sites. That is also because Roma is not an open air museum, there are people who actually live in the city.
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Attending undergraduate, one year left before I get my glorious yet useless degree
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Catholic.
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Though I don't like turing my back to a cliff face or even a railing at serious heights. Gives me tremendous butterflies in the stomach.
Same, I also have a quite ridiculous lepidopters phobia..I don't really know where it came from
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I just realized what I was referring to exists only in Italy..forget my previous post =/
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It was confirmed that there are other tombs next to it and they will be opened soon, they surely have other surprises in store for us
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Being neither a hardcore military buff nor an expert in Latin, the following was new to me. If it's not new to you, then peachy.
But in reading Mackay's _Ancient Rome _, I did read one thing I at least hadn't come across before.
SPQR - Senatus populusque romana. Usually translated as "The Senate and the People of Rome." The standard of Republic government.
However, Mackay claims populus doesn't really mean "people." In the oldest definitions, it meant "army." Or more specifically, the people assembled as the army, under the division of the various socio-economic classes that constituted the army in its political role - i.e., the Centuriate Assembly. The latin verb populari means "to plunder," and the noun derives from the verb.
Thus SPQR wouldn't mean "The Senate and the People of Rome" - it would really mean "The Senate and the Army of Rome" or perhaps more accurately "The Senate and the Centuriate Assembly of Rome."
Yes, no doubt that the first meaning of Senatus Populusque Romanus had that connotation =)
Populus probably derived from the Etruscan word *puple, literally
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Yeah, you mind not describing Italy that way. (Silentium is from Italy you know)
I don't care in the slightest really, but thanks for the thoughtful post anyway.
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If we could travel back in time and present translations of Virgils own works to him (spanish, portuguese,italian, romanian), which one could he understood most? My guess is he probably wouldnt understand any of them, either because of the wording change or because of the complete different grammar, so is it fair to say the closest today used language to latin language is church latin? and would he understand that? (and yes church latin is the official language in Vatican) but as i said i am not a linguist...
Probably none of them, except
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what amazes me is that people hammer on those 10 or 20 or whatever percentage it is, of slavonic words, i mean heck german has (without having any accurate numbers, but beeing a german native speaker) at least as many non germanic words. We have many loan words from latin, greek, later french and recently english and no one would come to the idea german is not damm close to the german of the early times, so i am not that sure why or how that would be different to any other language...
Yes, I know what you mean and I didn
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Swiss german is unique, it is basically just an allemanic dialect but unlike the allemanic dialects used in Germany, Austria or France it is an every day spoken language (TV, Radio etc...) unrestricted and practically used in all situations of daily life. A non allemanic person (like me, i belong to the Austro-Bavarian dialect group) can hardly understand them, my fellow countrymen in the most western austrian province called "Vorarlberg" which are the only ones in Austria speaking an allemanic dialect can follow without a problem...
You can find an exellent overview about german dialects here
http://german.about.com/library/weekly/aa051198.htm
regards
viggen
Thanks for the info, I was really curious about that. Oh, and the link is very informative by the way, now it's much clearer.
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Indeed, the Romance languages surely influenced each other during the centuries. Anyway, I took the stats from a Romance Philology book, it says the words coming directly from Latin are approx.60%. Not that it has to be the auctoritas, but I quite trust it =). Starting from the XVI century the Slavonic replaced Romanian as the official language of State and Church, with obvious consequences. Many latin terms you see today in modern Romanian were added later, (in the XVIII-XIX centuries) and they are mainly loanwords from Latin, Italian and French introduced by the
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ooops..I just realised I misspelled the word "pronunciation" on the previous post..lol. *quickly clicks on edit*
what a strange pronounciation =)hehe, i assume that was also the same situation 2000 years ago, someone in Italica had probably a different accent then a roman citizen in Eborum or Virunum. I assume it was a similar set up like todays german, everyone learns and reads "High German" but if the locals (Vienna, Munich, Berlin etc..) speak to each other an "outsider" has difficulties to follow, but the moment they switch to high german everyone understands... (could be completely wrong though hehe)
cheers, viggen
Yes, of course, people from different countries tend to transfer their pronunciation habits to Latin as well, just like 2000 years ago and I
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Spanish retained basque and arabic elements (from the Arabic takeover in the 1400s) so it is not the closest. So what is left? Italian, Portuguese and Sardinian/Sicilian dialects.
What makes you think that the languages spoken in Spain (yes, languageS) - Castellano,Catal
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wow, very nice site
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what a strange pronunciation =) it's nice to see that someone bothers to keep latin "alive". I remember Totus tuus had something like this..maybe not..my memory's clearly gone out for a walk lol
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Dante's Inferno....the Great Italian Classic, has anyone ever read it. And if you have what do you think of it?
Zeke
Look at my location
La divina commedia is a compulsory reading in school in Italy. I recently re-read it for my medieval literature course as well. I remember when I was in school during the class I used to draw the circles of Inferno on a piece of paper and put in them the names of people I hated lol..most of them would end up in Caina or Giudecca
. Even back then I was very simple-minded it seems One of the impressive elements of the Divine Comedy is the variety of styles used. Dante said his primary source of inspiration was Virgil with his
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Hunc in Latine dicam,
Salve et laetus annus novus omnibus. Annus MMVI ad Domini bonam felicitatem omnibus populis Compactarum Nationum Romae Victorae ferret. Fortuna nos cum donis donaret. Forte in hoc fundamento petrae per omnis aevum ipsem staremus.
Valete! Valete per annum novum!
Beatus supreme regnat,
Flavius Valerius Constantinus
Ah, he
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Congratulations!=)
Common names here in present days are Emilia, Valeria, Valentina, Ilaria, Gloria, Flaminia, Serena, Viola, Giulia et cetera. So long as you don't name her Vercingetorigia..
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I disagree that Christianity isnt as important in Germany than in Italy or Greece. Bavaria is heavily catholic, and now that there is a bavarian pope it got a whole lot stronger. The practise of germanic paganism is considered racist in germany.Due to Hitlers propaganda. if you would walk in a german town with a HAIL ODIN shirt, everybody would think you are a racist. And Germanic Paganism is also used as a propaganda tool by the Neo-Nazis. Germany and Scandinavia are like Italy and Greece. Many Germanic Tribes came from Scandinavia(Norway, Danmark and Sweden). so there isnt a huge difference in the Ancient Cultures. Goths and Gepids, Teutons and Langobards all originated from scandinavia. Vikings are considered germanics by most. This whole Faith discussion, reminds me of the Indo-european discussion. Italics(Roman) and Germanics and Greeks all had a similar language and believe. The God DYEUZ is found in every Indo-european Culture (Greek-Italic-Illyrian-Germanic-Slavic). The Italics had big similarities to the Germanic Culture in terms of worship and burial.
The Celts, were not in anyway related or similar to germanic Culture. Only later on when they shared a common border, both cultures adjusted a bit.
Agreed.
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Last week's rain must have precipitated the situation. I don't feel like commenting the rest..
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So how many languages do you know?
Italian is my first language.
Languages I pretend to speak: English, French, Spanish.
Oh, and just a bit of Latin. There are other ancient and modern languages I'm studying but I'm not going to claim I can speak/write them, since I can't.
Also, if you had a chance, what languages would you want to take?The list is endless, at the moment I'd rather focus on the ones I'm learning.
Though in England about a couple of dozen mutually exclusive variants are spoken depending on age, location and social class, some would be considered a declaration of war if spoken at the wrong time.Indeed. I assimilated one of those variants for some reason lol but it's close to RP so I guess it's not that bad (well, I hope..=)).
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olive-oil skinned beauties
I have the utmost envy for them as I don't look very Mediterranean lol.. anyway, little nota:
Uhm, isn't the mafia synonymous with Sicily?Yes, it is. The other 4 regions of the south have something similar, only with different names.
Well, the area where this type of organisation is actually a threat to people is from Naples to Sicily, more or less (especially in Sicily). Talking about Mafia
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Well, deleting the wrong file in the registry could be dangerous, especially if you don't know what to delete, that's the reason why I suggested to post the name of the suspicious file before doing anything..not to mention that the most insidious of these spywares -if not removed quickly- can even block your access to the registry keys to prevent you from deleting them...so annoying =|
Challenge - Find An Old Photo Of Your Home Town
in Historia in Universum
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Roma, Via del Tritone (end of 1880s)
Pantheon
Pilgrimage in S.Peter (1869)
Piazza Venezia
..and a very very different Termini Station