Rameses the Great
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I don't know where you got this information from Caldrail. Even the most impartial texts lists Jesus as a man who showed respect to the Romans.
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I took refuge with my friend Ptolemy in Egypt, he says that we don't obey the Roman Senate.
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I would think that the Muslims were disliked before they reached the Eastern Empire because of the attacks on Egypt, Iraq, etc. Does anyone know when the Byzantines got knowledge of the Arab expansion?
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Thats the problem. Our view of jesus comes from the teachings of christianity which understandably give the man a golden aura. I don't think he was great at all. He was the Jew Who Would Be King. The romans sussed it, and stopped him dead. The talk of miracles are either exaggerations or quaint tales intended to bolster this 'son of god' image. If he was such a great man, why was there no uprising in judaea at this time? I get the impression that many jews regarded him as a trouble-maker. Of course, having been bumped off made him something of a martyr in later decades. One of the central claims in christianity is that 'Jesus died for us'. Paul was absolutely shameless in the way he promoted this image. Jesus died for his own ambition whatever the new testament says.
Caldrail,
do you realize Jesus wanted to also teach humility and how to be humble? Did he have to be born in a manger? No, he could have been born in Jerusalem or a nicer city such as Athens, Rome, heck he could have been born in a lavish court in Alexandria! No, he was humble and was born in a manger in Nazareth with humble beginnings and a humble life. Always showing respect to the Romans, Jews, and gentiles the people that hated him.
He fulfilled every bit of the prophesy and died for man. There were no longer supposed to be any Jews, but they did not believe.
BTW, if there was an uprising in Judea Jesus would take it upon himself to stop it.
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I heard of many theories of how the Roman Republic was the same as the Greek democracy. I also heard that the Roman Empire was similar to the Eastern ways of ruling, since one man ruled over the entire empire and had all the power.
Any validity, or just a bad comparison?
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Well, I for one, have no doubts about "whatever form that took".
Jesus and his followers worshipped in the Temple, kept the Sabbath, kept the Passover, kept the Festival of the Tabernacles, kept the dietary laws of the Torah, observed the circumcision, said the Kiddush before a meal etc., in other words they were ORTHODOX JEWS. That, to answer your question, Gaius, is how we know how to define the modern following of Jesus, which is an aberration of everything he taught, and this is what I was emphasising earlier - neither Jesus nor his succesor James the Just nor anyone who knew and followed him while he was alive ever wanted to start a new religion. In fact they would have been appalled at the very thought, regarding it as a horrific blasphemy.
Jesus was a Jew, meaning to fulfill the prophesies of the prophets. He said to the Jews, "I'm not hear to destroy the Torah, rather than fulfill it."
The apostles were the ones responsible for spreading what we call today 'Christianity.' The thing is Jesus did not tell them to spread 'Christianity,' but the word, the word of God. As they preached many learned about Jesus and his teachings. As time progressed Greeks called this religion Cristos or the annointed one. Many of the disciples believed that the people who would accept this knew teaching would have to become Jews first such as James and Peter. However Paul thought that to know Jesus works would be important above all else. It has been confirmed in a council that Paul was right.
Jesus has dispelled many other Jewish traditions. He abolished the policy of 'eye for an eye tooth for a tooth,' instead using the policy of, 'turn the other cheek.' One out of many new things that shows a lean away from Judaism.
So, how do we know that Jesus was out there to start a new religion? He calimed himself the Messiah and the Jews did not believe him thinking Christ has not yet come. God said of the Jews, "I came to my people and they rejected me."
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I find it hard to believe a camel would do hard manual labor since they're just so lazy. They're not worth the maintenance. There is a term we use in the Middle East, 'horses don't need much and do a lot of work and camels need a lot and do not do much work.' The only good thing camels are good for was to transport things across the desert other than that they're worthless.
BTW, mules and camels are VERY stuborn.
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I don't understand who they are targeting here. 98% of Greece's population is Greek Orthodox and 98% is baptised into the Greek Orthodox church. Greeks are often proud of their past, but I've never seen them wanting to revert to ancient ways. Either way I think that this is for people who migrate from other parts of the world rather than Greeks. Many have been arrested in Greece for preaching another religion, now we're going to make a case for the revival of paganism?
This is meant for others who want to partake in ancient rites not Greeks by any means.
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Remember what happened to Hannibal!
He still made his victories in the way of a lot of Roman blood.
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If you look at the right hand of Christ in the last picture, you will see the index and middle fingers fully extended. This represents the two Natures of Christ - Man and God. The thumb, ring and pinkie are enclosed on each other representing the Trinity.
Also, the people of Cyprus are known for making the sign of the cross in that way.
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:mummy: , you are still going to get spanked!
Not today, not tomorrow, and CERTAINLY NOT YESTERDAY!
BTW Roman, my 'Hannibal is Rising.'
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The MONSTERS of the MIDWAY advanced fairly soundly as they beat the Saints 39-14. No surprise here, playing in your elements is an advatage especially when a fair weather team practices in a dome all week. Congragulations to the Saints on the season they had.
For the New England Patriots fans, look away. The Colts advance on the arm of Peyton Manning, being down at one point by 18 points the biggest comeback in Championship history. Now Indianapolis fans can rest easy, knowing they beat the Pats and Tom Brady. Peyton finally showed up, and the bravado of the Patriots finally came back and bit them in the ***.
Or as Nostradamis would say, 'the old lion (Peyton) shall defeat the young lion (Tom).
Bears vs Colts, so I ask again and you have two weeks to answer America who you got?
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Class? We're speaking of the sound thrashings the Pats shall administer! Then I am going to spank you, , .
I think Peyton will put away the terrible luck in the playoffs especially again the Patriots. If he doesen't then just never mind. I think old coach Mora will have a talk to them about the playoffs if the Colts lose again.
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Oklahoma City news helicopter pilot Mason Dunn and Greg Ward, a news operations manager for KWTV NEWS 9, used the station's helicopter, SkyNEWS9, Wednesday for something other than chasing a criminal or filming a fire Wednesday, 17 January 2007.
This time, they used its noise and its rotor wash to rescue a deer stuck on ice at Lake Thunderbird.
Something had to be used to scare the deer to get it to shore. The only other possibility the Oklahoma Highway Patrol could come up with was to send a remote-controlled car onto the ice to try to scare the animal.
Dunn lowered the helicopter, initially sending the deer into a break in the ice. The deer struggled enough to get its front hooves back on the ice. A second pass sent the deer sliding across the ice toward shore.
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Glad you and your family are alright.
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the very brief Christian persecutions of some emperors.
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I really do believe the Patriots are classless. I remember being there in the 2005 AFC Championship Game. We lost by 14 to New England, and the guy 4 seats left of me was being scolded by a Patriot wide receiver saying, 'Where's your terribel towl now?' It was on television by the way.
LT was right, they're not exactly the classiest of people.
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FVC, put it best we just don't know. I'll let it go on that note.
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Destruction of the Library of Alexandria
You asked me "who else could have had a motive in burning the library" - which means you are implying that only the Muslims could have had such a motive. This is obviously wrong. Many other people, including the Christians, could have had a motive for doing so, for the simply reason that many works in that library were of a "heretical" content. So your contention that only the Muslims could have had a motive for burning the librari is WRONG.I agree the Christians could have a motive, but it would not to be to burn the library and all its contents. Many Christians works and poems were held in the library itself. Also, how dumb would the Christians be to burn the books of their own heritage? To the Arab Muslim invaders, this was seen in a different light differing from Quranic law. Also a lot of Persian and Iraqi works have also been destroyed by Muslims.
Because this particular one is not a theory - it is a myth propagated three hundred years after the supposed event by a fanatical, lying bigot with ulterior political motives. And just because "there are people who believe in it "does not mean it should be taken seriously.Your lying biggot, happens to be a bunch of Egyptian intellectuals. Again, you are assuming a biased postion in this matter.
Caesar's theory has a better case of not being in this discussion then the Muslims. He burnt his ships in an effort to destroy the Ptolemaic fleet. The fire spread to the harbor, and burnt a part of the library.
BTW, a crew of Polish and Egyptian archeologists are trying to find out the cause so we should find out in time.
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The same motive that the Muslims would have had - to destroy anything that would go contrary to their faith. Are you seriously suggesting that Christians did not burn "heretical" books and works that did not confirm with their faith?
Where did I say that? Your taking my reply out of context.
So let's see some links and other sources about this "new research". And just because research has been revived regarding a certain myth does not necessarily mean that myth has been proved as historical factSo, can I say that Romans copied everything from the Greeks? No. Can I say that all Roman pagans were self hating Christians? No. Can I say that the Muslims definantly did not burn the library? No. There are people who believe in many theories about how the library was burned, so why disclaim this one?
Oh yes we do. Did you even bother reading the links that I quoted earlier?Yes I did, and I challenged your stance.
There are four explanations:
Caesar's conquest 48 BC;
the attack of Aurelian in the 3rd century;
the decree of Theophilus in 391;
the Muslim conquest in 642 or thereafter.
All have explanation, pros and cons. The point is it is a legitimate theory, and if people find the need to bring it up by all means do so.
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Ave Flavius
I was actually pointing that posting not at Philhellene but at the other fellow that was trying to propagate the "Omar burnt the Alexandria Library" myth earlier in the thread.
I agree not all of us are taught in the same way, but it seems incredible to me that in 2007, with research literally at the tips of our fingers, one can still propagate a pernicious anti Muslim myth that has been laid to rest by Christian (not Muslim) scholars. To me this is an indication of either intellectual laziness - where a person is simply unwilling to do the requisite research, or of deliberate slander mongering which is inexcusable in an age where different communities across the world are trying to reach out to and understand each other. Either way it is reprehensible.
One thing that attracted me to this forum was the sober quality of the material being discussed here, and I don't think this forum should be used as a sounding board for anyone wanting to mouth off his personal prejudices.
Regards, Gladius xx
Gladius, what motive would anyone else have for burning the library? If the entire library was burned included all the books, then I have a hard time thinking the entire situation was an accident. The Muslims usually did burn a lot of things that have no correlation to their religion. They were strict and had many reasons for the burning for the library.
By the way, it is not a myth it has recently sparked new research. Whether it is a true theory or not, we don't know but it is certainly respected to more then just anti-Muslims.
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We got the AFC and NFC conference games all decided. I thought that the Divisional Games this weekend were the best I've ever seen. I was really pulling for the Chargers, what heartbreak.
The Bears won, which means the Saints will visit Chicago in the NFC Championship Game.
The classless Patriots, will visit Peyton Manning and the Colts. Where have we seen this before.
New Orleans at Chicago 3:00 ET pm 12:00 PT pm FOX
New England at Indianapolis 6:30 ET pm 3:30 PT pm CBS
Who you got?
I just thought I should add these in honor of the two home teams playing this Sunday.
Coors Light Mike Ditka Press Conference Ad
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Winter? Here it's like Spring, rain and temps in the 10' and 15's.
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A secondary question: it's been documented (here and elsewhere) that one way for cultures to preserve their grain is to make an alcoholic drink from it (beer, etc.). Do we know how storing this (yummy!) foodstuff came about? It would require a large kiln in order to bake off a large series of pots...so I'm guessing (and that's what this really is) that this was an accidental discovery, made in small clay pots, and then taken on a larger scale. Any other thoughts?
The Egyptian invented the stove closed on three sides, and cooked on an open fire. They heavily relied on grain and later discovered beer.
That's why they say, 'Egypt was built on bread and beer.' The Egyptians believed that Osiris taught them to make beer. It was often used as payment, for lower wage workers.
Mesopatamians were said to have first stored grain and gave it to other various groups, I believe.
Praetor!
in Hora Postilla Thermae
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Seeing as how pharaoh has let me be in charge of the army I am ready for anything. My navy is set, my army is fully trained, and I am ready to return Egypt to its former glory. Now all I need is a victory over the Roman army.
I await you as Antony and Cleopatra are no longer at the helm, now it's time for a real general.