Pantagathus

Let him be mute and stand aside from our sacred dances who has no experience of mystical language, or has not cleansed his mind Who never has seen and never has danced in the rites of the noble Muses... I ain't a Sunermaistai for nothin'...

Good luck LW & have fun!

I've always consider the Loeb Editions to be somewhat of a gold standard if you want the work in the original across the page from the translation.

I have been for the last couple of hours... the combo of the dog's names, their picture & their ailments is just too much!!

"In March, Beergoggles was diagnosed with Mildewed Face." "Because his skull plates never fused in the womb, Hubcap can only obtain relief from his cluster headaches by sexually abusing a small squeak toy."

OMG!!! (Unfortunately based on truth though...) WASHINGTON, DC

As a dutiful reveler in the Ancient Mysteries and without even the slightest trace of lascivious impulse or motive, yes of course I would

For the sake of discussion I'll submit something that's occupied my scholarly attention lately: the Lelantine War between Chalcis & Eretria in Euboea (Greece); 720ish ~ 690ish BC. It was the first conflict on a large scale in Archaic Greece that pulled in contenders & alliances from all corners of the Greek world at the time. Though literary evidence is woefully slight, it has been convincingly argued that the late phases of the war saw the birth of the Hoplite which as an evolutionary step was likely brought about from the Euboean's direct experience with the Assyrian army via their commercial colony at Al Mina in northern Syria and surprisingly enough perhaps too because of the use of bronze armor pieces (helmets & arm pieces) by the archaic Italic people they encountered via their colonies at Pithekoussai & Cumae in the 8th Century BC. Though Chalcis seems to have emerged the likely victor, both cities began to decline afterwards because the very introduction of the new style of warfare came with major consequences for two societies who aristocracy was based on horse ownership and cavalry

Thank you sister corolla!

It really is! It also pains me to think of the countless works of this quality that have been melted down over the ages & recast...

Thanks Nephele though both of these are a bit too J-C for me I actually like my originals better...

Good Luck LW! Get naked, go wild!

In the religion of the early Romans there is no trace of the worship of Apollo. The Romans became acquainted with this divinity through the Greeks, and adopted all their notions and ideas about him from the latter people. There is no doubt that the Romans knew of his worship among the Greeks at a very early time, and tradition says that they consulted his oracle at Delphi even before the expulsion of the kings. But the first time that we hear of the worship of Apollo at Rome is in the year B. C. 430, when, for the purpose of averting a plague, a temple was raised to him, and soon after dedicated by the consul, C. Julius. (Liv. iv. 25, 29.) A second temple was built to him in the year B. C. 350. One of these two (it is not certain which) stood outside the porta Capena. During the second Punic war, in B. C. 212, the ludi Apollinares were instituted in honour of Apollo. (Liv. xxv. 12; Macrob. Sat. i. 17; Dict. of Ant. s. v. Ludi Apollinares; comp. Ludi Sweculares.) The worship of this divinity, however, did not form a very prominent part in the religion of the Romans till the time of Augustus, who, after the battle of Actium, not only dedicated to him a portion of the spoils, but built or embellished his temple at Actium, and founded a new one at Rome on the Palatine, and instituted quinquennial games at Actium. (Suet. Aug. 31, 52; Dict. of Ant. s. v. Aktia; Hartung, die Reliyion der R

Michael...

One of the many cheeses that GO & I enjoyed together when we met last year was a delicious pecorino accompanied by spelt bread

My 2 cents on why they weren't sending them to Italy is becase the were sending them to Spain which is were their economic interests were actually already invested. Hannibal himself was more than likely prudent enough to concur with that decision don't you think? He probably knew more than anyone that if Hasdrubal Gisco & Mago lost Spain any major victory in Italy would be bitter sweet.

What is your very good reason? Nephele, what about me!?! I know who the Strawberry Alarm Clock is for crissakes!!

Chalcidian (& Corinthian) Greeks~~~~>Etruscans~~~~>Romans A good example of this flow is the cult of Hercules. If Rome had adapted the cult directly from Cumae the name *should* have been more like the Oscan which was Herekleis. Instead we find in Rome an adaptation of the Etruscan name of Hercle. What is puzzling however is how thoroughly the Etruscans embraced Greek myth & religion to express their own beliefs except for a few minor exceptions like the demoness Vanth. If indeed the Etruscans had a familial link in prehistory with the Pelasgians as suggested via the linguistic connection with Lemnian, then perhaps the similar pantheon was already in place before contact with the Euboeans & Phoenicians in the Archaic. In that case it may not be that the Etruscans borrowed the Greek pantheon in the Archaic, just that they perhaps embraced the new artistic modes of expressing those beliefs via the plastic arts?

RtG: Stick this in you ear: The suprising truth behind the construction of the Great Pyramid "A year and a half later, after extensive scanning electron microscope (SEM) observations and other testing, Barsoum and his research group finally began to draw some conclusions about the pyramids. They found that the tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone. The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral. The stones also had a high water content-unusual for the normally dry, natural limestone found on the Giza plateau-and the cementing phases, in both the inner and outer casing stones, were amorphous, in other words, their atoms were not arranged in a regular and periodic array. Sedimentary rocks such as limestone are seldom, if ever, amorphous...."

Madrid - Where was the capital of Tartessos, the legendary pre-Roman civilization which once existed on the Iberian Peninsula? The culture which flourished from around 800 to 500 BC is believed to have been located mainly around the present-day cities of Cadiz, Seville and Huelva in southern Spain, but no traces of a major urban settlement have been found. Now, however, scientists have discovered surprising clues to where a major Tartessian city may have been, the daily El Pais reported. FULL STORY: HERE

I think Neil is on to something...

Thanks Kosmo It really poses so many questions! Out of over 200 documented burial sites from the Greek Dark ages, absolutely none are like this one. There is no precident whatsoever. I'm really glad that the site left no uncertainty as to the context of the goods and that excavation team properly identified these particular items as heirlooms and didn't try to explain them away as coincidences or copies of older motifs. These were obviously very special people who were more than likely very connected with the non-Greek world (or the Mycenaean past) when the great majority of their Greek contemporaries were not at all.

Lately I

That's actually pretty cool. I love the Martial quote in the article...