Honorius

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kosmo if by Rufus u mean Rufinus.... he was in the east i dont think he wouldve been that much of an obstacle to take the western throne

A good question! Others will want to comment on this too. My suggestion, for what it's worth, is that if you're really going to get into Byzantine culture you need to do it their own way -- you need some background of classical Greek and Biblical Greek (but Biblical / New Testament Greek is really easy when you've done a bit of classical Greek). But you can't manage without some modern Greek too. Anyway, anyone who studies classical Greek and doesn't want to know modern Greek is silly. In saying this I am criticising myself because I am still no good at modern Greek really. Now that my daughter lives in Greece I have taken a resolution to learn modern Greek properly at last. i see...well thanks heaps.. i think there is a place nearby that teaches classical Greek. And i guess i could pick up a bit of modern greek as my brothers best friend is full on Greek and my brother speaks a bit. well thanks for the suggestion mate ^^

Ahh Scholae thats right...so they where the personal gaurds of the emperors up until the Varangians?

Defensores Imperii (on the defensive side), Propugnatores Imperii (a bit more aggressive). There is also a word Tutores, but I think of that as someone who protects or guards a person rather than an empire. There wasn't really a distinction in ancient Greek between 'kingdom' and 'empire'. How about Phylakes tes basileias (Φυλακες της βασιλειας), meaning roughly Guardians of the realm? thanks heaps mate...i think i will use the Greek translation..thanks again

hey guys i was just wondering if you guys could translate "guardians of the empire" into Latin or Ancient Greek thanks in advance ^^

Do they teach middle greek? if not do you think it be better to learn ancient or modern greek if your interested in the Byzantine empire?

Hey guys the other day i was thinking about the Praetorian guard and the Varangians of the byzantine emperors but what where the imperial/personal guards of the emperors after the Praetorians were disbanded and before the Varangians in Constantinople? i remember reading it was like a cavalry based guard but i dont recall their name..

This is probably a stupid question but did the byzantines speak and write in Ancient greek or modern greek...is there any differences? lol proabbly a stupid question but would like to know lol....might try learning greek or something

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i was referring to modern scholars.

No... I say no, because he was so loyal to the Theodosian Family and owed everything he had to it. I think he considered because Honorius was sterile and he had already married his first daughter Maria to Honorius but there was no children at all by it and then his second daugther Thermantia... and again no children but I don't see it as a real thing he would've went through since he would have gone against the Theodoisian line, against his father-in-laws family. Had a son been born, things would have been very different in the West and the empire as a whole, he was the last guardian of a united empire or at least was trying hard to do so. Several modern scholars have taken a hard line against him, saying he sold out the empire, while other scholars completely disagree and I think prove a better case that his actions were geared toward safeguarding as much of the empire as possible and mainly the areas of the empire that really mattered. Italy, Africa, Illryicum, Macedonia, Greece and then the East. Gaul, Britain and Hispania were second rate provinces to men ruling, and were ignored, so another reason why the Senate wanted Stilicho was killed was because he allowed Gaul to be ravaged and many of the Senate had huge extensive estates in the region. I think in the end, he threw is all his eggs in one basket to make his bid for the East, to unite the empire and it failed. Personally, I don't think he had the resources he needed to accomplish all his goals or adiquitely defend the empire. His supporters to dwindled... Claudian had died as did Ambrose who was his greatest support I think and who supported the claim that he had guardianship over both sons not just Honorius. And in the end, he allowed his enemies to get to Honorius and turn them against him. At his death, Alraic was a Roman Commander and paid the money that would be given to such a commander and for a 'Roman Army', he was going to use him then against the ursuper Constantine III in Gaul, but the Senate had had enough, how he employed Alaric and his barbarians as Romans to fight other Romans and yet this is the EXACT same policy that Theodoisus used. The idea that any barbarian group could be a potential enemy against another barbarian group even if they are your current enemy. In the end, I think he is still getting a bad rap, (more so than my views on Valens cause I admit he f***ed up), but Stilicho was a man who did what he did for he felt in his eyes was the best for Rome... with more time, the negativeness of his actions are being reviewed and you can make an excellent arguement that he did not and never had designs to 'sell out' the empire. (FYI, it might be some time before I respond to anyone... curse you Honorius I would love this topic why did you have to wait till I left the country!! ) Lol soz Neos !!! remember pics of Blachernae anyway... to be honest i never knew the majority of Senators had large estates in Gaul...forgive my ignorance... Why has Stilicho been given bad press though?? is that because of Gibbon?

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Im re reading Norwichs Byzantum books and was just wondering... Do you guys think Stilicho had any plans to place hes own son Eucharius on the throne of the Western empire or maybe even the east?

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Be fair to Herodotus, he didn't have other histories to consult, he interviewed people to compile his narrative. Though some times some incredulous things slipped past his keen eye, he was typically pretty skeptical. Though he would report everything, he would give caveats to the reader when he thought what he was reporting was rubbish. Ultimately, I personally do not consider Herodotus to really be biased towards the Greeks. good point i havent really read much into herodotus or hes histories.... lol oh well tho was jsut making a point lol

It was by Plutarch, and as we know Plutarch is very accurate in his writings. Also Herodotus was said to been an honest and trustworthy man, so if he claimed the same thing it must have happened. No, Alexander was indeed undefeated. He will remain so throught history no matter what anyone says. Or as they say here in America, 'that's all she wrote.' plutarch wrote about Alexander? plutarch wasnt there he wrote this like hundreds of years later. Herodotus being honest?!?!? are u being serious? he said there were 2 million persians at Thermopylae.. i think not remember he is greek and would be incredibly bias. Well as i said its a Theory!

Rameses what battle was this?? if your talking about Gaugamela i think that was a bit exagerated with the numbers...the greeks tended to do that alot eg. Herodotus... alot of people io know actually believe Alexander lost against Porus as he returned the land to Porus who ruled under Alexander.... i think thats a valid theory but yeah the ones who believe in that are persian fanatic people i call friends

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I very much doubt that even if the Ottomans did take Rome that they could handle another front... wouldnt you think the Ottoman empire would be a little overstretched? btw, Kosmo do u have any sources that i can read up of that otranto battle?

I know i have the same problem Kosmo and my locla libraries dont seem to have many books on the Venetian empire...let alone their army argh!

i was just wondering does anyone know any good books or sites that give reference to the actual Venetian army and their empire before and during their involvement in the sack of Constantinople in 1204? sorry if this off topic with rome but it has something to do with new rome

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